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Homeless Alcoholics Receive a Permanent Place to Live, and Drink ( Taxpayers housing Drunks )
NY Times ^ | July 5, 2006 | JESSICA KOWAL

Posted on 07/05/2006 9:06:59 AM PDT by george76

Rodney Littlebear was a homeless drunk who for 15 years ran up the public tab with trips to jail, homeless shelters and emergency rooms.

He now has a brand-new, government-financed apartment where he can drink as much as he wants. It is part of a first-in-the-nation experiment to ease the torment of drug and alcohol addiction while saving taxpayers' money.

Last year, King County created a list of 200 "chronic public inebriates" in the Seattle region who had cost the most to round up and care for. Seventy-five were offered permanent homes in a new apartment building known by its address, 1811 Eastlake.

Each had been a street drunk for several years and had failed at least six efforts at sobriety. In a controversial acknowledgment of their addiction, the residents — 70 men and 5 women — can drink in their rooms.

They do not have to promise to drink less, attend Alcoholics Anonymous or go to church.

"They woke me up in detox and told me they were going to move me in," said Mr. Littlebear, 37, who has had a series of strokes and uses a walker.

"When I got here, I said, 'Oh boy, this don't look like no treatment center.' "

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aa; alcoholics; alcoholicsanonymous; bunksfordrunks; corruption; governmenthousing; govwatch; homeless; kennedyretirement; kingcounty; publichousing; seattle; taxdollarsatwork; youpayforthis
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1 posted on 07/05/2006 9:07:02 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Why don't they send the drunken bums to Cambridge, MA?


2 posted on 07/05/2006 9:08:22 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: george76
You talk to any old timer in AA and he/she will tell you that this is by far the best way to ensure that these people *never* get sober.

Ever.

3 posted on 07/05/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: sionnsar; Grampa Dave

The building's critics are particularly incensed that residents do not have to stay sober.

The Seattle Times, in 2004, editorialized that government should insist that the residents quit drinking in order to live there.

"Bunks for drunks — it's a living monument to failed social policy," said John Carlson, a conservative radio talk show host here.

This approach, he said, is "aiding and abetting someone's self-destruction."


4 posted on 07/05/2006 9:09:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Did you know that 10% of the State Store revenues go for alcohol rehab? That's right. The liquor stores are owned by the state in good ol' Washington. See anything wrong with that, or is it just me?


5 posted on 07/05/2006 9:11:41 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: george76

I think this is a good idea. Better idea would be to put them in some sort of camp far away from population centers, give them all the cheap booze they can guzzle for free and let them drink themselves to death out of sight. I'm sick and tired of walking a gauntlet of panhandlers and passed out winos going to and from work every day (and I work in a "good" part of Washington DC).


6 posted on 07/05/2006 9:11:56 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Gay State Conservative

That's OK. The sooner they peg out, the cheaper.


7 posted on 07/05/2006 9:13:12 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: RexBeach
Why don't they send the drunken bums to Cambridge, MA?

You know,believe it or not,the Cambridge Police Department has a zero tolerance policy toward street bums in and around Harvard Square and near MIT as well.

Why,you might ask?

Because although there are more "progressives" per square inch there than anywhere else on earth,the residential and commercial real estate in the vicinity of both campuses (campi?) is about the most valuable on earth.

It's easy to pay almost $750K for a small studio condo within walking distance of Harvard Yard.

8 posted on 07/05/2006 9:14:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: AppleButter

"I think this is a good idea. Better idea would be to put them in some sort of camp far away from population centers, give them all the cheap booze they can guzzle for free and let them drink themselves to death out of sight. I'm sick and tired of walking a gauntlet of panhandlers and passed out winos going to and from work every day (and I work in a "good" part of Washington DC)."

I am with you. Get them off our streets and out from under our bridges and overpasses. Find some area where they are isolated and tell them if they leave the compound they will be arrested and thrown in a drunk tank.


9 posted on 07/05/2006 9:16:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic Lies posing as journalism)
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To: george76

But heaven help the law-abiding taxpaying citizen who decides to have a cold one after work and lights up a cigarette...........


10 posted on 07/05/2006 9:16:40 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gay State Conservative

It's obvious to anyone that this is assisted suicide.

Which Washington embraces elsewhere in its laws, yes?


11 posted on 07/05/2006 9:20:23 AM PDT by angkor (You can argue whether the Vietnamese went in for land or to stop a dictator. But at least they went)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Why not relocate these people to the Kennedy compound in Hyannis?

Gee, I wish the government would pay me continue my addiction to slot machines. ;-)


12 posted on 07/05/2006 9:23:55 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Gay State Conservative

How about if they put the bums behind the counter of the Out of Town Newsstand?


13 posted on 07/05/2006 9:24:56 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: george76

"This approach, he said, is "aiding and abetting someone's self-destruction.""

But neither should we criminalize or penalize them for it.

As a practical matter, if one is forced to do something about the situation (ie, nannny will be nanny) then the pragmatic thing to do is the one that impacts the taxpayer least. And that's what is being claimed here.


14 posted on 07/05/2006 9:27:24 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: angkor
Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner.

After working with these type of chronic alcoholics in Anchorage (for a short time in the 80s) it became apparent to me they were trying to commit suicide, but didn't have the (guts, whatever) to finish themselves off. Their own families wanted nothing to do with them, nor did anyone else.

Sounds harsh, but if they want to go, let them have their choice. (asbestos drawers now on)
15 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:12 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: george76
The actual price tag will probably rise because residents have more serious health problems than expected, said Margaret King, a social worker who manages the building.

I was more or less okay with this project until I got to this line. Not one penny should be spent on medical care for these people. They are not trying to avoid illness and they are not trying to get well. Leave them be. When it gets really bad, give them morphine so they don't die in agony, but nothing more.

16 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:16 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AppleButter

I'm sick and tired of walking a gauntlet of panhandlers and passed out winos going to and from work every day (and I work in a "good" part of Washington DC).


And thats just the senate


17 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:29 AM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: Froufrou

typical gubmint common sense. sports betting is illegal,
but state lotto is advertised on TV.
then in turn the state pays for gambling addict programs.


18 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:56 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: RexBeach
How about if they put the bums behind the counter of the Out of Town Newsstand?

Sounds like you know a little something about Haavad Square.You surely realize that a drunk would never be able to tell a patron when the next issue of the Columbia Journal of Economic Development is due to arrive.

20 posted on 07/05/2006 9:29:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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