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Court shoots down U. gun ban [University of Utah]
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 9/9/2006 | Pamela Manson and Sheena McFarland

Posted on 09/09/2006 6:28:47 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The state's highest court ruled Friday that the University of Utah has no right to ban guns on campus, rejecting the argument that prohibiting firearms is part of the school's power to control academic affairs.

Writing for the 4-1 majority, Utah Supreme Court Justice Jill Parrish said case law "is incompatible with the university's position."

"We simply cannot agree with the proposition that the Utah Constitution restricts the Legislature's ability to enact firearms laws pertaining to the university," Parrish wrote.

In a dissent, Chief Justice Christine Durham said policies that are reasonably connected to the school's academic mission are within its autonomous authority over academic affairs. Under the majority analysis, she said, "the university may not subject a student to academic discipline for flashing his pistol to a professor in class."

But no one will be permitted to carry a gun anytime soon on the campus, home to more than 44,000 students, faculty and staff members. Friday's ruling resolved only the state issues involved in the matter; the case now goes back to U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City for litigation of federal constitutional issues.

The delay is welcome to Landon Smith and Minna Shim, U. students who say they support the ban, which has been in place for almost three decades.

"It scares the hell out of me," said Smith, a senior in communication. "I don't want some cowboy coming to class with a gun."

Shim, an undeclared freshman, said, "I don't feel a threat here now, but if there are concealed weapons around, I'd be afraid."

U. President Michael Young said he was disappointed by the decision.

"Universities across the country uniformly prohibit guns on campus," he said. "We hope that, following a review of this case in federal court, the issue will be resolved to uphold our long-standing policy of keeping firearms off campus."

The U. is arguing that any interference with its gun policy violates its right to academic freedom guaranteed by the First and 14th amendments.

"Under the umbrella of the First Amendment, we believe we have an opportunity to take action when we think something is of a primary importance to the learning environment and the safety of students in the classroom. The U.S. Constitution gives us the scope and freedom to do something about it," Young said.

Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, who issued a formal opinion in 2001 that the U. policy violated a statute forbidding state or local entities from restricting the use of firearms, called the decision a victory for the rule of law.

"It also gives clarity to the university and allows school officials the opportunity to work with legislators to discuss any changes to state laws," Shurtleff said in a written release.

The issue of whether the state constitution allows schools to set their own firearm policies heated up when Shurtleff released his legal opinion. The U. challenged it in 2002 with a suit filed in U.S. District Court that raised both state and federal claims. Judge Dale Kimball declined to decide federal issues until after the school resolved its state claims in a Utah court.

The U. then filed a lawsuit in Utah's 3rd District Court. Based on state law at the time, Judge Robert Hilder ruled in 2003 that the gun ban was legal, prompting the Attorney General's Office to appeal to the Supreme Court.

In response to Hilder's decision, state lawmakers passed a bill in 2004 that said only the Legislature can set gun policy. However, U. trustees then voted unanimously to maintain its policy prohibiting firearms on campus.

In arguments before the state Supreme Court in 2004, Assistant Attorney General Brent Burnett said the university has no power or autonomy under the Utah Constitution to ignore state law.

The U., while acknowledging that the Legislature has general control and budgetary supervision over the school, insisted that it is an autonomous entity that can disregard a law that interferes with internal academic affairs.

The state Supreme Court majority disagreed.

"Indeed, the university's claim is unsupported by the text of our state's constitution, its historical context, or the prior decisions of this court," says the ruling, which came two years after the justices heard oral arguments on the issue.

The majority based its decision on Article X, Section 4, of the state constitution, which says the "general control and supervision" of the higher education system shall be provided for by statute. The justices also said the section that grants the right to bear arms but also gives the Legislature the authority to define their lawful use - Article I, Section 6 - was not a factor in Friday's decision.

Durham agreed that section had no bearing on the issue. She said her dissent is based on the question of which governmental entity, the university or the Legislature, has the authority to make policies governing academic affairs.

She also wrote that her conclusion says nothing about whether the policies at issue are reasonable exercises of the university's authority.

pmanson@sltrib.com

smcfarland@sltrib.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; culturewars; education; educrats; schoolbias
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1 posted on 09/09/2006 6:28:48 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

So the University of Utah is a state entity?


2 posted on 09/09/2006 6:34:15 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: Gondring

It is to the best of my knowledge.


3 posted on 09/09/2006 6:40:41 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Gondring

Supported through the State Income Tax.

Don't let Utah's Red State election characteristic fool you. Salt Lake City has a high abundance of left wing whackjobs. Heck, the mayor (the loon Rocky Anderson) was an ACLU lawyer. Gay rights for city employees, etc, ad nauseam. The Uof U is run by loonies just like any modern University.


4 posted on 09/09/2006 6:42:42 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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The U., while acknowledging that the Legislature has general control and budgetary supervision over the school, insisted that it is an autonomous entity that can disregard a law that interferes with internal academic affairs.

So defending yourself interferes with academic affairs? Typical communism: shut up and take your beating quietly. When somebody comes to kill you, you're supposed to just lie in the ditch and be quiet.

5 posted on 09/09/2006 6:43:10 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"It scares the hell out of me," said Smith, a senior in communication. "I don't want some cowboy coming to class with a gun."

If they are a mind to, they probably have been all along. Laws and rules, especially the malum prohibitum type, only affect those who choose to obey them.

6 posted on 09/09/2006 6:46:25 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Under the majority analysis, she said, "the university may not subject a student to academic discipline for flashing his pistol to a professor in class."

How disingenuous-- a straw man argument. Brandishing to threaten or frighten is not supported by the licensing authorities anywhere.

7 posted on 09/09/2006 6:47:22 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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"It scares the hell out of me," said Smith, a senior in communication. "I don't want some cowboy coming to class with a gun."

Yep, we're all safer if we're helpless. Typical leftist moron.

8 posted on 09/09/2006 6:50:18 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The U. is arguing that any interference with its gun policy violates its right to academic freedom guaranteed by the First and 14th amendments

???? The U is a subsidiary of the state, funded by the legislature thereof. It's not a person in any sense, and thus is not covered by either the 1st or 14th amendments. Not that I see anything about "academic freedom" in those amendments.

Of course there is something in the second amendment that applies to this case, but it applies to "the people", in this case some students, staff, faculty and visitors to the campus. Something about a "right to keep and bear arms.

There's similar provision in the Utah Constitution as well.

"The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the State as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the legislature from defining the lawful use of arms." Article 1, Section 6.

9 posted on 09/09/2006 6:51:55 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Court shoots down U. gun ban [University of Utah]

Don't ya just love headline writers. They could have said the court axed the ban, threw out the ban, or used any number of other terms. But they always have to get cute.

Bah Humbug.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 6:55:46 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Celebrate FREEDOM! Buy a Gun for 9/11 !!!


11 posted on 09/09/2006 7:02:27 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: El Gato
The U is a subsidiary of the state, funded by the legislature thereof.

But they claim not to be subject to state law. By their "logic", they can legalize LSD and mushrooms since banning it would stifle academic freedom.

Liberalism kills academic freedom but the U administrators aren't trying to ban that!

12 posted on 09/09/2006 7:04:51 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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13 posted on 09/09/2006 7:09:41 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
My view is that university campuses (campi?) can be very dangerous places. Seems there are often predators about looking for a coed to rape. Being able to defend oneself against these bad guys should be unqestioned, IMHO.

Those wimpy girls quoted in the article---there's no hope for them to change their opinion any time soon. However, that shouldn't stop the rest of the women on campus from being able to protect themselves.


14 posted on 09/09/2006 7:21:06 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment Rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: El Gato
but nothing herein shall prevent the legislature from defining the lawful use of arms." Article 1, Section 6.

I think that is where they think they get the power to ban guns on campus.

15 posted on 09/09/2006 7:23:38 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: basil

I guess these wimpy girls think having a cop on their cellphone is adequate protection if some nut wants to do something to them. Crazy, especially since Utah has had some really high-profile kidnappings and murders.


17 posted on 09/09/2006 7:30:02 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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It scares the hell out of me," said Smith, a senior in communication. "I don't want some cowboy coming to class with a gun."

Shim, an undeclared freshman, said, "I don't feel a threat here now, but if there are concealed weapons around, I'd be afraid."

These are the best anti-gun students they could find. Bwahaha.

18 posted on 09/09/2006 7:33:28 AM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
What I never understood about leftists is how a 'cowboy' that wants to go in and shoot-up the school is going to be stopped by a gun ban in the school.

Banning guns in Columbine did not stop the massacre. The killers went around unchallenged and executed children while cops were figuring out what to do. Had some of the staff been armed, there would have been a different outcome.
19 posted on 09/09/2006 7:41:15 AM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Which part of "shall not be infringed" is difficult to understand...


20 posted on 09/09/2006 8:07:44 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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