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Feds Lower Boom on Alternative Money (Liberty Dollar users prosecuted)
USA Today (AOL) ^ | 09/15/2006 | Barbara Hagenbaugh

Posted on 09/15/2006 2:45:33 PM PDT by BradJ

Edited on 09/15/2006 2:53:08 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coins; donutwatch; govwatch; libertarians; libertydollar; monopoly; nothaus; silver; usmint
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How dare us peasants not use their fiat coins
1 posted on 09/15/2006 2:45:36 PM PDT by BradJ
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To: BradJ

Psstt!!!!...Start hoarding silver bullion coins. I will explain later...I got to go...


2 posted on 09/15/2006 2:47:28 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: BradJ

Yeah, the cuts into the fed monopoly and is a cool way to avoid taxes.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 2:48:08 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: BradJ

So you can't barter with these little metal disks???


4 posted on 09/15/2006 2:48:44 PM PDT by babygene
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To: BradJ

P.T. Barnham, please pick up the withe courtesy phone.


5 posted on 09/15/2006 2:48:52 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: BradJ

I guess bartering is also illegal.


6 posted on 09/15/2006 2:49:07 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BradJ

It's silly that people can't voluntarily use alternative forms of currency. That being said, passing the currency off as US currency is certainly a problem.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 2:50:41 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Always Right
How do these allow you to avoid taxes?
8 posted on 09/15/2006 2:51:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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To: BradJ

Hey, until I see Kim Jong Il frog marched into a U.S. District Court for counterfeiting our currency, I can't get too excited about the Feds raising a ruckus about "Liberty Dollars".


9 posted on 09/15/2006 2:51:43 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Always Right

They should still pay the tax on the transaction, right? I mean, if it's nothing but a scheme to defraud the government, why not do it without the flashy coinage and stay on the down low?


10 posted on 09/15/2006 2:51:53 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamĀ®)
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To: BradJ

I guess subway tokens are now suspect. /sarc


11 posted on 09/15/2006 2:51:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: BradJ

You know what is funny? These must of started to show up all over for the Fed to get so worked up about it.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 2:54:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Read the story. The problem isn't bartering with the coins. The problem is that the coins bear a striking resemblance to coins produced by the United States Mint, and people are giving them to store clerks who are accepting them unaware. That's fraud.


13 posted on 09/15/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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does the coin say "one dollar" on it anywhere?? if it does, I could see where someone would think its real and use it..of course, as I recall, some clerk somewhere took a $200 bill with a picture of W on it..

if it's knowingly used, that's fraud..unknowingly?? I don't know..


14 posted on 09/15/2006 2:59:57 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: redgolum

They're claiming that it is illegal for any entity other than the U. S. mint to produce coins. Frankly, I don't see their case, other than to claim that this so closely resembles official currency as to make unwitting acceptance likely. If both buyer and seller are aware, though, I don't see the illegality.


15 posted on 09/15/2006 3:01:20 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Article I, s.10 "No State shall ...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts".

What's the problem here?

16 posted on 09/15/2006 3:03:55 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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They're claiming that it is illegal for any entity other than the U. S. mint to produce coins.

Who's claiming that? I read the story and I didn't see that claim anywhere.

does the coin say "one dollar" on it anywhere??

The silver coin says "Twenty Dollars", actually. The gold one says $500.

17 posted on 09/15/2006 3:04:05 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
A friend of mine once paid $35 for a pistol once.
1 double eagle, an eagle, and 5 cartwheels.
$20 gold coin, $10 gold coin and 5 silver dollars.

Face value.
18 posted on 09/15/2006 3:06:57 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Sir Gawain

"I guess bartering is also illegal."

Worse. It's taxed.


19 posted on 09/15/2006 3:07:49 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: RegulatorCountry

agreed..I saw a show once on discovery or a and e or one of those where a guy hand drew $100 bills (they were amazing) and would go into shops, tell the counter person he drew it, then barter it for goods with the understanding they owner framed the bill, put it up and showed people for publicity..as I recall, he was making out pretty well..

BUT, he was letting them know up front what the deal was..


20 posted on 09/15/2006 3:08:52 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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