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IL: Restaurant complaints relight smoking debate
Herald Advocate ^ | Sept. 21, 2006 | JENNIFER JOHNSON

Posted on 09/21/2006 6:39:52 PM PDT by SheLion

Park Ridge aldermen will resume discussion of the city's public smoking ban, following complaints from three restaurant owners that their businesses have been adversely affected by it.

The restaurant owners spoke briefly to the City Council Monday night, prompting Mayor Howard Frimark to ask the aldermen if the smoking ban should be brought back before the Procedures and Regulations Committee. Alderman Jeannie Markech agreed that it should, and made a motion for the discussion. Eight aldermen voted in favor of the issue going back to committee and five voted against. One alderman was absent.

The next meeting of the Procedures and Regulations Committee is Oct. 3.

It was this committee, at the request of Alderman Kirke Machon, that worked with city staff to develop the smoking ban. The ban was approved by the City Council in March.

In May, it went into effect for all public places and restaurants. On Sept. 3, restaurants with bar areas were required to comply.

And that is where the problem lies, according to Thomas Gangas, owner of Bailey's, 10 N. Cumberland Ave., in Park Ridge. Gangas told the City Council that he received no complaints when his dining area became smoke-free in May, but when he was forced to eliminate smoking from the bar area, customers disappeared.

"The result is we have lost 50 to 70 percent of our bar patrons," Gangas said.

Bul Saavedra, owner of Hay Carumba, 120 S. Prospect Ave., said he too has noticed a drop in bar customers since smoking was prohibited in that area. He estimated a 15 percent drop in bar business this month.

"A few people who used to come and smoke do not come now," he said.

Gangas said customers have even asked Bailey's employees for names of other establishments in the area that will allow them to smoke inside.

Alderman Don Crampton asked if the restaurant owners could document their loss of business and prove it was related to the smoking ban. Alderman Rich DiPietro asked if city staff could contact the Northwest Municipal Conference to find how many other suburban communities have passed smoking ordinances.

Towns that have approved smoking bans within the past year include Chicago, Skokie, Palatine, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg, Buffalo Grove, Deerfield, Evanston, Oak Park and Vernon Hills.

Smoking bans are being discussed in Arlington Heights, Northbrook, Hoffman Estates, Wheeling, Lincolnwood, Mount Prospect and other communities.

This year, the Cook County Board passed a countywide smoking ban that will take effect in March, 2007. Municipalities in Cook County that do not have their own smoking ordinances will have to comply with that law.

Neighboring Niles is considering establishing its own ordinance to address smoking in public places. A committee studying the issue has expressed interest in continuing to allow smoking in certain public places, according to Village Trustee Andrew Przybylo. Several residents who attended public meetings, however, have expressed support for a smoking ban.


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1 posted on 09/21/2006 6:39:55 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...

Keep up the boycotts, smokers!!!!


2 posted on 09/21/2006 6:40:13 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

BTTT!


3 posted on 09/21/2006 6:40:52 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: SheLion

I've always felt that the decision to allow smoking or not smoking was NOT a federal or state issue. It should be up to the business owner to make that decision. And therefore, rightly so, the consumer would pick whether or not he wants to go to a smoking restaurant.

Too bad the nanny state is such a PEST! If a business owner loses business because he allows smoking, then so be it. He'll suffer. But it should be his decision and not some beurocratic jackass in some government building to decide for him.


4 posted on 09/21/2006 6:45:24 PM PDT by laweeks (I)
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To: laweeks
I've always felt that the decision to allow smoking or not smoking was NOT a federal or state issue. It should be up to the business owner to make that decision. And therefore, rightly so, the consumer would pick whether or not he wants to go to a smoking restaurant.

That is exactly what we are fighting.  To keep nanny government out of private businesses.  This decision should be left up to the business owner and his patrons.

So many businesses across the United States have closed or had to lay off and cut hours.  They are losing revenue big time.  And not only the business, but the vendors that supply that business.  When a business closes, or cuts hours or lays off, supplies aren't needed from the vendors like in the past.

These smoking bans are totally degrading and disgusting. 

Attention all business owners suffering from a smoking ban.
Please fill out this form and submit it for a new web page
Ban Loss

5 posted on 09/21/2006 6:48:49 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
Every time I read about a smoking ban, I can't help but think of 1984. If you recall, the one freedom Winston Smith had was that he was able to smoke at will where ever he was. The anti-smoking crowd should be proud of themselves for out-Orwelling Orwell.

I don't smoke but the government has no business telling the owners of private establishments like restaurants and bars that they should ban smoking.

6 posted on 09/21/2006 7:02:28 PM PDT by bws53
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To: SheLion

Add me to your list. The health-taliban must be stopped.


7 posted on 09/21/2006 7:04:58 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: SheLion

When the nannies wind up with one restaurant, let's call it McTacopizzabees, they'll wonder why.


8 posted on 09/21/2006 7:16:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: lesser_satan
The health-taliban must be stopped.

Bring on the un-health taliban?????????????????????:^)

9 posted on 09/21/2006 7:20:11 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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NANNY-STATE PING...........


10 posted on 09/21/2006 7:33:59 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
11 posted on 09/21/2006 8:22:38 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: SheLion
To have a ban that covers bars is just crazy! The bar may as well close down. I know people who don't even smoke who occasionally light up at the bar.
12 posted on 09/21/2006 8:32:34 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: SheLion

13 posted on 09/21/2006 8:41:15 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: bws53
I don't smoke but the government has no business telling the owners of private establishments like restaurants and bars that they should ban smoking.

They really don't have the right to tell private businesses owners!  But everyone thought it couldn't happen to them, and when it did, they didn't know how to fight the bans!

California, Maine and New York are probably lost causes, but the rest of the United States is learning from the loss of revenue in CA, ME and NY and the private business owners are standing up and FIGHTING this!

14 posted on 09/22/2006 3:50:53 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: lesser_satan
Add me to your list. The health-taliban must be stopped.

I got you added.  Thanks so much!

15 posted on 09/22/2006 3:52:10 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: elkfersupper
When the nannies wind up with one restaurant, let's call it McTacopizzabees, they'll wonder why.

Excellent name!


16 posted on 09/22/2006 3:53:31 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: raybbr; lesser_satan
Bring on the un-health taliban?????????????????????:^)

How about bringing back freedom of choice for business owners?!

17 posted on 09/22/2006 3:54:43 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: lesser_satan; raybbr
FYI:  raybbr is one of the biggest anti-smokers in Free Republic.  So just overlook his rants.

For a Conservative, he sure wants to pull rights from the American people.  PITY!

18 posted on 09/22/2006 3:56:32 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: KoRn
To have a ban that covers bars is just crazy! The bar may as well close down. I know people who don't even smoke who occasionally light up at the bar.

"MAY CLOSE DOWN?" You won't believe all the businesses that have closed across the United States because of these bans.  Check it out:

Ban Loss

Smoking Ban Bad For Business

THE REAL FACTS OF THE SMOKING BANS IMPACT ON BUSINESS'S
The Facts


19 posted on 09/22/2006 4:01:45 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

I wonder if any of the governing entities that thought the smoking ban was a good thing will ever admit that the impact of less tax has had an effect on government at all levels. In this case, you can't have your cake and eat it too.


20 posted on 09/22/2006 6:12:49 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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