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Larry Sabato Recants, Didn't Hear Allen
Newsmax ^ | 9/27/06 | Newsmax Staff

Posted on 09/27/2006 7:42:34 AM PDT by truthandlife

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To: isthisnickcool
My experience has been that the people that are indeed racist and use the "N" word a lot are people you remember. I don't see how Allen could have gotten so far in politics and life if he used the "N" word a lot. Deep seated racism is hard to hide.



I agree with you, but did you ever hear Lyndon Johnson trying to pronounce "ni-ni-niggro"?

161 posted on 09/27/2006 1:04:09 PM PDT by OESY
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To: Corin Stormhands

It's like peeling an onion, debunking one layer of rumours at a time. If you can make it to the center, there is nothing left--and hopefully no more innuendo.


162 posted on 09/27/2006 2:32:23 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Darnright
I sent a letter to little larry at this e-mail address and received a reply from his chief of staff. Stroupe, the COS, claimed to have been George Allen's press secretary. (Don't know how true.) The letter was smarmy and condescending in its tone. Little larry is sorry that this has blown up this way but it isn't his fault that the media is in a feeding frenzy over this. Larry thinks that the record should be set straight and didn't George Allen really bring this on himself with his macaca comment......blah, blah, blah. So don't blame larry, this is Senator Allen's fault. BS!!
163 posted on 09/27/2006 4:22:04 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: truthandlife

Obviously the left panicked and needed to find someone who would lie about Allen. It happens a lot. The left is desperate to win, by any means necessary.
Whenever there is a "revelation" like this about a conservative, you know that it is a lie.


164 posted on 09/27/2006 4:23:43 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (The Leftist Marxist-Islamist Alliance: joining forces to destroy civilization.)
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To: CremeSaver

>don't blame larry, this is Senator Allen's fault. BS!!<

You mean he didn't say it was also Bush's Fault©? Dang, he's slipping!


165 posted on 09/27/2006 4:36:02 PM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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To: Howlin

>Let me guess: Allen was one of the "in crowd" and Sabato wasn't.<

If I'm not mistaken, Sabato was known as somewhat of a young political prodigy early on. He's been pretty well known in Virginia for decades, as a political prognosticator.

A lot of politically active teens and young adults are looked upon as sort of nerdish by their peers.


166 posted on 09/27/2006 4:42:06 PM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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To: Darnright
Nope, no "Bush's fault." Senator Allen is totally, completely, absolutely responsible for this all by himself and he forced larry sabato, forced him I tell you. Little larry wanted no part of this until that eeeevvviiilll racist George Allen forced him to do this. :O)
167 posted on 09/27/2006 4:45:54 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: truthandlife
Something tells me that Sabato started to get cold feet when people like Gingrich and O'Reilly said they didn't know what to think about the sudden claims after Allen was in office for so long, but that they had to take the claims seriously if someone like Sabato endorsed them.

He may not have liked being the authority that buttressed the claims in skeptic's minds.

-PJ

168 posted on 09/27/2006 4:51:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: CremeSaver
>Senator Allen is totally, completely, absolutely responsible for this all by himself and he forced larry sabato, forced him I tell you.<

ROFL!

169 posted on 09/27/2006 4:55:21 PM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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To: Darnright

I'm going to pray for Senator Allen, and hope that his enemies get theirs.


170 posted on 09/27/2006 4:58:50 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: twigs
Among the Famous Families of Virginia there are a number of them who have cleverly disguised Anglicised French, Italian, Polish and Spanish surnames.

It wasn't all Scots and English around here.

171 posted on 09/28/2006 8:44:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OESY
LBJ tried very hard ~ George Wallace also changed his manner of speech ~ and plenty of others.

It was long overdue for a change.

172 posted on 09/28/2006 8:46:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yes, that's completely true. Taliaferro comes to mind. But they were early and became an accepted part of the state upper class. Lots of French Huguenots came over around 1700 and many of them anglicized their names. There were others as well. But chances are--and they are just chances--that a given Italian in 1970 was not from one of these early families, but came from later immigrants. But you are completely right in saying that it was not all Scots and English who built the upper class of the state. Or the middle and lower class for that matter!


173 posted on 09/28/2006 9:29:35 AM PDT by twigs
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To: RexBeach

Larry, I have credible testimony that you are a turd burgler.


174 posted on 09/28/2006 9:32:04 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: truthandlife
Sabato is a trouble maker.

He also loves to see/hear himself on TV.

175 posted on 09/28/2006 9:33:57 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: twigs
Actually, a Huguenot trader/explorer (identified as John Bo) built a house right at Martin's Hundred circa 1590-1598, and an early Huguenot settlement is at Breton Beach. It has not been subject to intense research but it dates from the mid 1500s ~ circa 1541 when the Protestants in France set out an expedition to study the St. Lawrence estuary as a place of refuge. At the same time a group of mostly Protestant Spaniards set out to look for such a place in Florida ~ see DeSoto.

Presumably a third group checked the "middle" and hence the settlement in Maryland.

Many Huguenots are late comers. My own people are among those who arrived rather early.

BTW, when Jamestown was founded the former Spanish settlement at the mission at Hopewell, Virginia, disbanded and most of them moved to Jamestown and signed up with the Episcopal church. The actual notes kept by a Spaniard named Cruz. He disappears from the records just at the time the Crews family shows up. There were others. Unfortunately the Virginia Company records were destroyed.

176 posted on 09/28/2006 11:03:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: twigs
Oh, yes, almost forgot. They had glassblowers from Venice present in the early Jamestown settlement. Now those bad boys all had I-talian names, or maybe Slovenian names.

Be fun to decode them ~ as well as those of the Polish slaves (read captured Turks).

In digging through secondary sources concerning early Virginia settlement we found a reference made by the guys who came right after Smith and Argall to the effect that they believed there were more than 20,000 European people living in what is now Maryland when Jamestown was founded.

Remember that the area had been a pirate's refuge in the 1500s.

177 posted on 09/28/2006 11:06:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for the VA info. Genealogy is my hobby, but I haven't been working recently at it like I once did. My entire family is from Virginia. I'll have to go back at the latest to the early 1800's, and probably much before, to move out of the state--on all of my lines. Yep, my ancestors married each other until about two generations ago. I knew about an early Huguenot settlement in SC, DeSoto and of course, the melungeons. I've read Carl Bridenbaugh's works on early VA settlements. But I didn't know about the Spanish mission who went with the Episcopal church. I'd like to find out more. The name Crews marries into my family a lot later. I also know that a map of early VA was found in some Spanish archives some time in the last century. I'd like to know more about Bo. Although I'm mostly very early English (I think probably from Devon, although I can't prove it), I could well trace back to early Huguenots as well. Thank you for an informative post.


178 posted on 09/28/2006 12:21:01 PM PDT by twigs
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To: muawiyah

I didn't know about the Venicians. I know that the Talioferros went from Italy to London and then eventually to VA. I think that some very early Turks could have married into the group that became the melungeons, although that could be Jewish and/or Portuguese groups. Or all of the above. Have you read Lee Miller's book about Roanoke? It's very good. Didn't know about early Maryland Europeans. If my ancestors came from any other state, it will probably be Maryland. So I've wondered about the earliest settlers there.


179 posted on 09/28/2006 12:25:03 PM PDT by twigs
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