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To: GovernmentShrinker
Every time somebody has a baby for which they can't afford to independently provide food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and education, socialism takes another step forward, and freedom takes another step backward.

Not necessarily. Many of those babies grow up to be productive adults. But that's apparently not good enough for you, since you're putting down hard working immigrants just because they couldn't jump over all the high hurdles to legal immigration.

I had an interesting conversation a few years back with a man in the photocopier servicing industry. He said he couldn't find enough skilled tradesman to service his machines. He knew that there were plenty of them in Germany but the U.S. immigration laws were too restrictive to bring them in. The ridiculous immigration laws you defend are keeping productive people out of the country, and apparently that is fine with you.

Many would like to have more, but aren't willing to dump their kids in the infernal public schools...

Baloney. Most upper middle class Americans could afford to raise many more kids and send them to good schools (moving to a better school district if necessary) but just don't want to spend the time and money required to nurture them properly. They'd rather spend their time and money buying and playing with toys like fancy automobiles and giant screen HD tv's, taking expensive vacations, pursuing another amusements, and/or becoming a bigshot in their field of endeavor.

Most Americans no longer value good parenting much at all. When was the last time anyone was publicly recognized for merely being a great parent?

18 posted on 10/17/2006 1:35:03 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: ravinson

Very few babies born to welfare mothers and illegal immigrants grow up to pay their fair share of the nation's total tax bill. And most of them grow up to produce more than their fair share of the next generation of babies.

Where did I defend immigration laws that keep out skilled German workers who could fill positions that employers can't find Americans to fill? The only point I made about immigration laws is that out-of-control breeding in third world countries leads to out-of-control illegal immigration. Though the issue of a shortage of American workers to fill skilled positions is really specious. If we spent half the money on retraining displaced American workers, that we spend "saving" crack babies born to women who should have been sterilized after they popped out their first crack baby, and educating the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th children of people who have never made a net financial contribution to our country and have never paid the full tab for even ONE of their children, there would be plenty of American workers with the skills employers need. Companies would be a lot more willing to finance the training of workers they need, if they weren't having 50% of their profits confiscated in taxes, with a big chunk of that going to subsidize the continued overbreeding of people who are incapable of and/or unwilling to be trained for meaningful work.

If you want to see how "productive" people are in countries where they breed like feral cats, I suggest you pay visits to places like Somalia and Nigeria and Malawi. More babies does NOT equal more productive adults.


25 posted on 10/17/2006 4:45:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ravinson

Obviously, our education system sucks because it is run by liberals. Bush should have cleaned out the liberals in the INS when he came in but being Mr. Nice Guy, we all lose out. The left wants the votes and don't give two hoots about anything else.

We should have been getting the kind of immigration we needed and the skills required for industry. We could have been cherry picking. Instead, we are getting mainly, the poor, third worlders.


37 posted on 10/17/2006 11:23:47 PM PDT by TheLion
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