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To: ravinson

Sure there are people who grew up on welfare who are successful, but it's the exception, not the rule. Our large cities all have large and growing populations of 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation welfare recipients. And they reproduce early and often.

I'm not in favor of any illegal immigration. When a nation is economically successful and maintains a huge handout system, it becomes a magnet for illegal immigrants. Aside from the huge strain on our country, it does nothing to improve the long term situation in the countries they're coming from. Germans are no exception. As I pointed out, the shortage of skilled American workers is an artificial consequence of the creeping socialism which infects our country. Huge taxes are imposed which maintain schools that turn out poorly educated students, and people at the low end of the economic ladder are incentivized to stay on welfare because of all the food, housing, and medical care handouts. Who wants to do the strenuous manual labor that many illegal Mexican immigrants do, when you can stay in your temperature-controlled home, eating junk food and watching TV, all at taxpayer expense? We don't have a shortage of low-level workers, we have an expensive system of disincentivizing them to work, and incentivizing them to have babies who will be raised in a no-work-ethic household. I don't want to have my hard-earned money going to support these idiotic schemes, and then be told that the solution their dismal failure is to import workers from other countries, while the US welfare rolls and public school budgets continue to swell. When we are no longer be taxed to support a non-productive underclass, then let businesses import all the workers they like -- legally. Until then, businesses should feel the same pressure that individuals do, to call a halt to tax-and-spend schemes that yield no reward. If they're allowed to circumvent a lot of that pressure by importing workers on an unlimited basis, they'll continue to bankroll the campaigns of tax-and-spend politicians.

Overpopulation BREEDS tyrannical government. Nobody can afford to think about anything except how to get enough food to get through the day, and the desperate masses are always eager to believe the promises of tyrannical leaders. Look at Russia/Soviet Union: in the early 20th century there were hungry masses of peasants, all with large broods of children to feed, and they supported the Communist takeover with all its empty promises; by the late 20th century, they'd all but stopped reproducing and next thing you know Communism was out. Same pattern is being followed in China: starving masses embrace communism, under pressure from government which can't find any other way to deliver to the promised improvements in standard of living, the masses, go along with a draconian birth control program; in time, the standard of living improves, and the adults who grew up as only children or one of two, and aren't starving, have the wherewithal to start breaking down the communist tyranny. The rise of Germany's Third Reich was preceded by very rapid population growth, and an accompanying drop in standard of living. Good luck finding an example of a tyrannical government coming to power in a country which didn't have a high birth rate with a dropping standard of living.


42 posted on 10/18/2006 9:29:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Jedi Master Pikachu; Dante3
High population density favors Democrats a lot more than Republicans.

2004 Election Red and Blue States

Rank, State, Population density (per sq. mi)

1 New Jersey 1,134.4
2 Rhode Island 1,003.2
3 Massachusetts 809.8
4 Connecticut 702.9
5 Maryland 541.9
6 New York 501.9
7 Delaware 401.1
8 Florida 296.4
9 Ohio 277.3
10 Pennsylvania 274.0
11 Illinois 223.4
12 California 217.1
13 Hawaii 188.6 72.83
14 Virginia 178.8
15 Michigan 175.0
16 Indiana 169.5
17 North Carolina 165.2
18 Georgia 141.4
19 Tennessee 138.0
20 New Hampshire 137.8
21 South Carolina 133.2
22 Louisiana 102.6
23 Kentucky 101.7
24 Wisconsin 98.8
25 Washington 88.6
26 Alabama 87.6
27 Missouri 81.2
28 Texas 79.6
29 West Virginia 75.1
30 Vermont 65.8
31 Minnesota 61.8
32 Mississippi 60.6
33 Iowa 52.4
34 Arkansas 51.3
35 Oklahoma 50.3
36 Arizona 45.2
37 Colorado 41.5
38 Maine 41.3
39 Oregon 35.6
40 Kansas 32.9
41 Utah 27.2
42 Nebraska 22.3
43 Nevada 18.2
44 Idaho 15.6
45 New Mexico 15.0
46 South Dakota 9.9
47 North Dakota 9.3
48 Montana 6.2
49 Wyoming 5.1
50 Alaska 1.1

44 posted on 10/18/2006 10:54:29 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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