Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Dallas59

Doesn't this imply that deforestation would cause CO2 levels to go up, increasing global temperatures?


5 posted on 10/29/2006 12:14:15 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: ConservativeMind
Thee were no land plants back then...they would be able to suck up all the CO2 from the volcanoes.

Algae and marine plants are also accused of the deep freeze.


Hungry algae plunged Earth into deep freeze

A PROLIFERATION of marine plants and a period of mountain formation could be the reason why an ice age occurred 450 million years ago. This would solve the puzzle of how temperatures dropped despite the extremely high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at around that time.

Matt Saltzman of Ohio State University in Columbus believes the two processes removed large amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere toward the end of the Ordovician period.

The Ordovician lasted for about 45 million years before the ice age occurred. Widespread volcanism during this time is thought to have loaded the atmosphere with enough CO2 to make the planet relatively warm, making it hard to explain the precipitous drop in temperature that followed. Land plants had yet to evolve, so they couldn't stash away large amounts of carbon - a process implicated in another ice age more than 100 million years later. ...


http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18524855.000-hungry-algae-plunged-earth-into-deep-freeze.html
8 posted on 10/29/2006 12:30:12 AM PDT by endthematrix (I enjoy grilled steak, domestic beer on tap and pinup calendars. Yup, I'm American!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: ConservativeMind
Doesn't this imply that deforestation would cause CO2 levels to go up, increasing global temperatures?

I was thinking the opposite. That the article implies that strip mining (or possibly deforestation) would expose more new rock that would fuse with co2 and wash into the sea thus lowering the co2 level in the atmosphere. But what do I know? Perhaps the guy in a previous reply who suggested we remove the Appalachians has the right idea?

21 posted on 10/29/2006 2:11:58 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: ConservativeMind

I am sincerely interested in the hard Science of Climate models and both the historical study of our atmosphere and yes, the CO2 modeling. Of greatest interest to me personally is the far and wide ranging predictions and forecasts that have been quoted in the media and indeed, generated by many, many different computer driven models.

Now, according to my sources, temps have risen within a normal range, and we have nothing to fear from rises in CO2, since our planet has been designed to balance out or self-adjust, IMO.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

Richard S. Lindzen

Summary of Scientific Issues:

Before even considering "greenhouse theory,'' it may be helpful to begin with the issue that is almost always taken as a given--that carbon dioxide will inevitably increase to values double and even quadruple present values. Evidence from the analysis of ice cores and after 1958 from direct atmospheric sampling shows that the amount of carbon dioxide in the air has been increasing since 1800. Before 1800 the density was about 275 parts per million by volume. Today it is about 355 parts per million by volume. The increase is generally believed to be due to the combination of increased burning of fossil fuels and before 1905 to deforestation. The total source is estimated to have been increasing exponentially at least until 1973. From 1973 until 1990 the rate of increase has been much slower, however. About half the production of carbon dioxide has appeared in the atmosphere.

Predicting what will happen to carbon dioxide over the next century is a rather uncertain matter. By assuming a shift toward the increased use of coal, rapid advances in the third world's standard of living, large population increases, and a reduction in nuclear and other non-fossil fuels, one can generate an emissions scenario that will lead to a doubling of carbon dioxide by 2030--if one uses a particular model for the chemical response to carbon dioxide emissions. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Working Group I's model referred to that as the "business as usual'' scenario. As it turns out, the chemical model used was inconsistent with the past century's record; it would have predicted that we would already have about 400 parts per million by volume. An improved model developed at the Max Planck Institute in Hamburg shows that even the "business as usual'' scenario does not double carbon dioxide by the year 2100. It seems unlikely moreover that the indefinite future of energy belongs to coal. I also find it difficult to believe that technology will not lead to improved nuclear reactors within fifty years.

Nevertheless, we have already seen a significant increase in carbon dioxide that has been accompanied by increases in other minor greenhouse gases such as methane and chlorofluorocarbons. Indeed, in terms of greenhouse potential, we have had the equivalent of a 50 percent increase in carbon dioxide over the past century. The effects of those increases are certainly worth studying--quite independent of any uncertain future scenarios.

Please carefully consider further study of the:

Max Planck Institute for Meteorology (MPI-M), Hamburg, Germany

Global climate modeling

Scientists:

Group leader: Erich Roeckner (A Lefty Green Party fan - no doubt)

Staff members:

Manik Bali, Jan Baudisch, Luca Bonaventura, Renate Brokopf, Traute Crueger, Monika Esch, Reiner Schnur, Jana Sillmann, Min Wei

General aim

The overall mission is to contribute to the understanding of climate variability from inter-annual to centennial time scales. This comprises the response of the Earth System to both natural and anthropogenic forcing, the role of feedbacks with particular emphasis on the interactions between the physical climate system and the carbon cycle, and the detection and attribution (D&A) of anthropogenic climate change.

http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/en/wissens...dellierung.html

Why don't we discuss why the last ice age ended, and round about 10,000 to 8,000 years ago?

Why did temps rise on average 6 - 7 C

Next, if the last ice age peaked around 15,000 years ago, could this be studied in relation to Co2 levels or in the perspective of other factors?


22 posted on 10/29/2006 7:12:27 AM PST by Richbee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson