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Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance
Reuters ^ | 11.9.2006

Posted on 11/10/2006 12:25:37 AM PST by MichaelManureMoore

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: allegiance; america; antiamerican; antichristian; antigod; atheism; atheist; flag; god; jasonbell; orangecoastcollege; orangecounty; patriotism; pledge; pledgeofallegiance; socialism; socialist; stuckonstupid; theoc
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It's ridiculous how so many have no appreciation or understanding of freedom and privilege. Sure, the Pledge may seem like a trivial activity, when in reality it recognizes how all of us bask in the instituitions of freedom, justice, and security. Just because you disagree with a politician, a party, or the government, doesn't mean you should completely disavow your very loyalty to that which makes your life possible. The Pledge represents much more than the U.S. governement; it is intrinsic to the struggle and sacrifice that created and sustained this country through tragedy and triumph. And for the record...something I call Liberal Lie #666....Separation of church and state was never intended to exclude God, merely to ensure religious freedom. Being the constitution was strongly influenced by judeo-christian ideals and beliefs, it is irrelevant whether a citizen believes in God. "Under God" simple recognizes a fundamental truth to the genesis of this country, and in no way whatsoever forces anyone to adopt any religion. Here's to the patriotic and those who truly love and appreciate America!
1 posted on 11/10/2006 12:25:39 AM PST by MichaelManureMoore
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ARTICLE SNIPPET:

""That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology.""

2 posted on 11/10/2006 12:32:43 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Jay777

ping


3 posted on 11/10/2006 12:33:18 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Fine...cut all federal funding to that school and any school in agreement. Let them sit in classes with no AC running and see how they feel.


4 posted on 11/10/2006 12:35:56 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
cut all federal funding to that school and any school in agreement.

But then there would be children left behind.

Kumbaya.

Peace out.

New Tone.

5 posted on 11/10/2006 12:45:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: pepsionice

I couldn't agree more. Also, this is just a random comment, why is it we must all change for atheists? They say "Under God" offends them...I wonder how many they offend in turn? Of course, that doesn't matter. Somehow, society has been duked into believing - by the ACLU and other liberals - that the desires of 1% are more important than the other 99%. They can hate God and America all they want, but I refuse to change for people who don't give a damn about this country, or its people.


6 posted on 11/10/2006 12:47:50 AM PST by MichaelManureMoore (Hillary & Nancy...It Takes Two Moms To Raise A Gay Party!)
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To: MichaelManureMoore

Here is who will be running things when we get old...


7 posted on 11/10/2006 12:51:37 AM PST by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: MichaelManureMoore

Bring back the draft. Get them in the Army. Make them fight or die for their country. No deferments. No exceptions. I know not many here will agree with me, but every one of us (males) has an absolute duty and obligation to serve his country. Not just pledge his allegiance to it, but actually serve it. If you don't have that sense of duty, the country is lost. imho


8 posted on 11/10/2006 12:58:34 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MichaelManureMoore

Amen!!


9 posted on 11/10/2006 12:59:59 AM PST by yoe
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To: Cindy; All
"I am an Atheist and a Socialist"

And a Communist. And a glaring example of why we must learn to communicate our values to the people.

The young are being indoctrinated on college campuses everywhere
to facilitate "Revolution" against us.

Why is a former president of the USA helping Socialists and Communists to get elected?

WAKE UP AMERICA!

10 posted on 11/10/2006 1:07:01 AM PST by Pajamajan (Que sera, sera - Whatever will be, will be.)
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To: pepsionice

"Cut all federal funding to that school..."

I agree.


11 posted on 11/10/2006 1:12:16 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Pajamajan

Thank you for the links Pajamajan.


12 posted on 11/10/2006 1:12:56 AM PST by Cindy
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To: LibWhacker
"Bring back the Draft"

If I was president on 9/11, I would have instituted the Draft 9/12. I agree it's the only way to save our nation.

13 posted on 11/10/2006 1:13:46 AM PST by Pajamajan (Que sera, sera - Whatever will be, will be.)
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To: MichaelManureMoore

Eliminate student loans. Make the little peckerwads work for their diplomas.


14 posted on 11/10/2006 1:15:45 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Trained by English Setters)
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To: Pajamajan

Excellent post!


15 posted on 11/10/2006 1:25:30 AM PST by MichaelManureMoore (Hillary & Nancy...It Takes Two Moms To Raise A Gay Party!)
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To: Cindy
You're quite welcome (for the Links).

What did you think of the first one? Spooky huh? If you have any questions like- "Why do democrats/liberals......(fill in the blank), the answers can be found on that list.

16 posted on 11/10/2006 1:26:20 AM PST by Pajamajan (Que sera, sera - Whatever will be, will be.)
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To: Pajamajan
If you ever run, let us know. I'll vote for you!

I can't believe that kids are being taught and encouraged to have contempt for their country. That's not how you preserve a country, that's how you destroy it.

17 posted on 11/10/2006 1:31:06 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Pajamajan

Not really spooky...I've been watching this stuff for years.
Sorry situation (gross understatement).


18 posted on 11/10/2006 1:31:18 AM PST by Cindy
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To: MichaelManureMoore
they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

KILL THEM ALL!
No, wait. This isn't China/Iran/N-Korea/Russia/Africa/BAH!.

Oh well, Nevermind..

19 posted on 11/10/2006 1:37:50 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: old and cranky
Here is who will be running things when we get old...

Don't worry. I'm sure they will have plans to euthanize us. And if they surrender the country to the Islamists or set up their communist utopia, reaching old age won't even be an issue to begin with.

20 posted on 11/10/2006 2:33:07 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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