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To: Matchett-PI
For a true Libertarian (Ayn Rand style) there is no place for compassion. In fact it is one of the only "sins". Objectivists are very Darwinian and do not support anything beyond self interest. Like the Communists they also believe in the "perfectibility" of man though by a different path. This is where I depart from them. Man is corrupt by nature and can only be channeled into good for society by a codified law and societal pressure.
154 posted on 11/12/2006 2:11:53 PM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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To: Uriah_lost

"Man is corrupt by nature and can only be channeled into good for society by a codified law and societal pressure." ~ Uriah_lost

When you click my screen name and scroll down - you will find this:

Emory Report 11/29/99 Vol.52. No. 13 Excerpt:

"...Marci Hamilton ... [is] a nationally recognized expert on constitutional and copyright law. ....

Her forthcoming book, Copyright and the Constitution, examines the historical and philosophical underpinnings of copyright law and asserts that the American "copyright regime" is grounded in Calvinism, resulting in a philosophy that favors the product over the producer.

Calvinism? Hamilton's interest in the intersection of Calvinist theology and political philosophy emerged early in her career when she began reading the work of leading constitutional law scholars. She was puzzled by their "theme of a system of self-rule." "They talked about it as if it were in existence," she said. "My gut reaction was that direct democracy and self-rule are a myth that doesn't really exist."

What Hamilton found was that a "deep and abiding distrust of human motives that permeates Calvinist theology also permeates the Constitution." Her investigation of that issue has led to another forthcoming book, tentatively titled The Reformed Constitution: What the Framers Meant by Representation.

That our country's form of government is a republic instead of a pure democracy is no accident, according to Hamilton. The constitutional framers "expressly rejected direct democracy. Instead, the Constitution constructs a representative system of government that places all ruling power in the hands of elected officials."

And the people? Their power is limited to the voting booth and communication with their elected representatives, she said.

"The Constitution is not built on faith in the people, but rather on distrust of all social entities, including the people." ...

..Two of the most important framers, James Wilson and James Madison, were steeped in Presbyterian precepts.

It is Calvinism, Hamilton argued, that "more than any other Protestant theology, brings together the seeming paradox that man's will is corrupt by nature but also capable of doing good."

In other words, Calvinism holds that "we can hope for the best but expect the worst from each other and from the social institutions humans devise."

"Neither Calvin nor the framers stop at distrust, however," Hamilton said. "They also embrace an extraordinary theology of hope. The framers, like Calvin, were reformers." ~ Elaine Justice


157 posted on 11/12/2006 2:25:36 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Uriah_lost
Man is corrupt by nature and can only be channeled into good for society by a codified law and societal pressure.

That's the point the ordoliberals made 100 years ago (so called because they usually published in the German intellectual journal Ordo ["Order"]). They insisted that markets needed to be regulated by a strong police power. The economic liberals, libertarians and Randites/Objectivists would insist, OTOH, that interest-driven rationalists would be incorruptible and wouldn't need such heavy-handed "help" in keeping the markets clean and functional.

I think the latter have been refuted, at least for this generation, by the examples offered by Michael Milken, Ken Lay, and any number of no-doubt rational peculators, defalcators, and chiselers.

161 posted on 11/12/2006 2:39:30 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Uriah_lost
"For a true Libertarian (Ayn Rand style) there is no place for compassion."

Wrong. A man w/o compassion is simply a man w/o compassion. Learn what the word libertarian means before you denigrate it.

"Man is corrupt by nature"

Man is definitely not corrupt by nature. There is no truth to this statemnet whatsoever. Man is simply a rational agent with Free will.

174 posted on 11/12/2006 3:12:30 PM PST by spunkets
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