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Romney Asks Court To Put Gay Marriage Onto Ballot
CBS 4 BOSTON ^ | 24 NOVEMBER 2006 | AP

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:07:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(AP) BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney, a fierce opponent of gay marriage and possible presidential contender, on Friday asked Massachusetts' highest court to force a proposed anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment onto the state's 2008 ballot.

Romney filed the request with the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court -- the same court that ruled 4-3 in 2003 that the state could no longer deny marriage licenses to gay couples -- after lawmakers postponed action on the question until January.

The move by lawmakers was widely seen by supporters and opponents of gay marriage as a way to kill the measure.

Romney is asking the court to order the Massachusetts secretary of state to put the question on the 2008 ballot if lawmakers fail to take action when they return on Jan. 2, the last day of the legislative session.

Backers of the question, which would define marriage in Massachusetts as the union of a man and a woman, gathered more than 170,000 signatures of people in support of the proposed amendment, which would ban future gay marriages in Massachusetts but leave existing same-sex marriages intact.

Under the constitution, the question needed the backing of just 50 of 200 lawmakers in the current two-year legislative session. It would come up for a second vote in the new legislative session in 2007, where it would also need the backing of 50 lawmakers.

Opponents of the question, including powerful House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi, D-Boston, feared they didn't have the 151 votes needed to kill the measure and instead called for a vote to recess the joint House-Senate session from Nov. 9 until Jan. 2.

Lawmakers approved the recess vote by a majority of 109-87.

The decision to recess rather than end the joint session, known as a constitutional convention, limited Romney's options. If lawmakers had ended the session, Romney could have called them back into session, but could not have forced a vote.

Romney publicly criticized and said the state Constitution requires they take a vote on whether the question should go before voters.

Romney, who is nearing a decision on whether to jump into the 2008 race for the Republican presidential nomination, publicly denounced the recess vote at a recent Statehouse rally.

Supporters of the proposed amendment say marriage is a fundamental building block of society and voters -- not a single judge majority -- should decided whether to change the definition. Backers of gay marriage say minority civil rights should never be put to a popular vote.

Since gay marriage became legal, more than 8,000 same-sex couples have tied the knot in Massachusetts, the only state to allow gay marriage.

The Legislature grappled with efforts to ban same-sex marriages before the high court ruling. In 2002, lawmakers refused to vote on a citizens' initiative that would have banned gay marriage. Two years later, they voted down their own proposed amendment that would have banned gay marriage and legalized civil unions.

In the November elections, amendments to ban gay marriage passed in Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin. Only Arizona defeated such an amendment.

Vermont and Connecticut have legalized civil unions that give same-sex couples benefits similar to marriage. New Jersey's highest court has ordered the Legislature to allow either marriage or civil unions for same-sex couples.


TOPICS: Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: aids; disease; electionpresident; gaysex; goodluck; gop2008; homosexualagenda; inventedrights; judicialinterference; judiciary; rinoromney; romney; sodomy; spreaddisease
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1 posted on 11/24/2006 6:07:40 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, I guess you have to be an Extremely Extreme Extremist to oppose same sex marriage in Massachusetts!....lol


2 posted on 11/24/2006 6:14:26 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just this afternoon I was arguing with a liberal who thinks America should be a true democracy. It became a lot less attractive to her when I pointed out a few ballot proposals that are more of a true form of democracy. She then decided that things like gay marriage, gun control and affirmative action shouldn't be subject to votes.

in other words, true democracy is great....as long as she can get her way.


3 posted on 11/24/2006 6:16:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: MassachusettsGOP; Gay State Conservative

Actually, this is not a bad idea. Maybe Massachusetts voters aren't as leftist as the politicians who represent them.


4 posted on 11/24/2006 6:18:17 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: Clintonfatigued
While I agree, it might be a good idea, why did Romney order licenses be issued to homosexuals in the first place, when the law has never changed. Why didn't he issue this order before? He knows of the tricks the legislature pulled in '02.

Also I had read in another paper that Romney was going to do what he says in this article, but that he was going to bypass the legislature and put it on the ballet as a ballet question. Also, I thought, but maybe I am wrong, that this WAS the second time, this has come before the legislature, not the first. I could swear it won the first round.
5 posted on 11/24/2006 6:31:46 PM PST by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes, let the people decide. I hope that the people of Massachusetts are smarter than their politicians. Then again, they (the grand folk of Massachusetts) did elect these politicians, so one has to wonder.

The downside to this whole thing … they keep electing these same liberal ne'er-do-well’s and idiot nabobs time after time … any vote by the general public might, just might, reflect their (politician’s) electoral proclivities.

I still think that anything this influential on life in America, should be voted on by the populace of the state.

Let the voters speak …


6 posted on 11/24/2006 6:37:32 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good thing he got this in before the election!


7 posted on 11/24/2006 6:39:17 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes they are, and they are in the majority-what I call the Massachusetts Moonbat Majority!


8 posted on 11/24/2006 6:53:30 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: gidget7

I believe that Mass. requires two successive legislatures to approve this, and the first approval was already received...


9 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:01 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The toxic Left won't dare allow the American public to vote on gay marriage because that would reveal that such unions are less popular than the left-wing news media would have Joe Average believe.

Which is to say, such a vote would reveal that the Left has been lying for a long, long time.

And the Left's ability to bypass such a public vote reveals that socialists truly hate democracy, even in democratic republics.


10 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:57 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Backers of gay marriage say minority civil rights should never be put to a popular vote."

They'd flunk a test on how American women won the right to vote in the 1920's, then. Alcohol, too. Same for anti-smoking measures today.

11 posted on 11/24/2006 7:18:14 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

And don't forget the civil rights movement. While court cases such as Brown vs. Board of Education were important in that struggle, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 are the key laws, passed by the Congress, which broke the back of legal discrimination in this country. The people, through elected representatives, passed these civil rights laws.


12 posted on 11/24/2006 7:55:44 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Clintonfatigued
The State Legislature, despite being 87.5% Democratic, contains a number of Conservatives, mostly traditional Catholic Democrats from the blue-collar towns. They were once the driving force in Massachusetts politics, and despite the socially liberal economies the Unions taught to them, they were very socially Conservative people. However, the Liberals from the inner Northwest Suburbs and West. Mass have derailed the party from them in recent years, and the the influence of Conservative Democrats has waned (Their candidates Tom Birmingham and Tom Reilly failed miserably in 2002 and 2006 for the Governor's Nominations). Yet, they still hold a powerful position in the voting blocks of the Massachusetts electorate, they could make their Democratic reps really sweat if they let this thing die. And better yet, there is always the off chance that if this issue gains traction again, they could find themselves voting for Republicans sometime soon.

Also Romney is drumming up his Conservative Credentials right now, could help propel him into the White House, but personally I think the Legislature ignores the will of the people seeing that the next election is 2 years off, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts balks at Romney after all the crap he has said about them, and this whole Gay Marriage Ballot thing gets swept under the carpet, and the Republican and Conservative movements in Massachusetts continue their extinction, and Gay Marriage lives on.
13 posted on 11/24/2006 8:17:54 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: JustTheTruth

I dont think it was. We have voted on a couple different proposed ballots at the State House in the past, but they all ended up failing. This current one, iniated by petition was supposed to get the first vote this May, they pushed it to August, then they pushed it to the day after the election to avoid a voter backlash, and then they pushed it to the last day of the Session. I don't believe they have gotten even the first vote yet, and because they cant vote on it twice in one day (or they wont vote on it twice in one day) the issue is pretty much dead in the Legislature, thats why Romney is sueing them in court.


14 posted on 11/24/2006 8:21:13 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The word, 'marriage,' was already legally defined in law books, dictionaries, public usages and customs for centuries. Why negate that fact by pretending there is no clear-cut definition for the word already?

The danger here is that if the measure fails, it will add weight to the homo's contention that the word never was defined, else the legislature would not be attempting to define it, removing an ambiguity that exists only in the minds of the legislators and the people who signed the petition.

Sorry, but that's the way it is. The simple truth is that the first instance of homo's applying for a 'marriage' license should have been summarily rejected on the grounds that a marriage license could only be granted to a man and a woman.

How simple can it get?

15 posted on 11/24/2006 8:28:22 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Chief Judge Anthony Lewis-Margaret Marshall(S.Africa, Democrat, NewYorkTimes, SJC-Massachusetts):
"Let citizens vote? Screw you all.
The law will be what my husband from the New York Times says it is."

16 posted on 11/24/2006 8:51:32 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; Southack

Those were instances of representative democracy at work. Here are folks now saying, no, no, not good enough, give us direct voting on the issue in order to defeat it. Sounds like it exactly proves the Left's argument about civil rights going before a popular vote of the People being a bad idea.


17 posted on 11/24/2006 9:56:27 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The irony is that Romney is calling for judicial activism. He wants the court to overrule the Legislature about whether to present the proposed ballot measure to the voters.


18 posted on 11/24/2006 10:20:37 PM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Clintonfatigued

I've lived in Massachusetts all my life, and... Yes. They are.


19 posted on 11/25/2006 2:36:22 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Eastbound

P.S. Would you be allowed to compete in a dog show if you claimed you were a toy poodle?


20 posted on 11/25/2006 2:43:47 AM PST by Eastbound
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