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CA: Somebody, please do the math on UC pay
San Bernardino Sun ^ | 11/26/06 | Editorial

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:32:33 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Here's a quick word problem for students at the University of California to ponder: If university fees go up every year at the same rate as the increased bonuses and perks for UC executives do, at what point will California fall into the ocean?

The correct answer, of course, is, Huh?

The problem doesn't make sense, but then neither does the fact that despite the controversy over out-of-control salaries and benefits for UC's top managers, they still manage to lavish themselves with more while cranking up student costs.

A recent report indicating that extra employee compensation costs rose $916 million for the current academic year, at the same time that fees were raised sharply for students, shows that priorities at the top levels of the UC just don't make sense.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: academia; california; govwatch; ucsystem

1 posted on 11/26/2006 10:32:35 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's all sing along..."We need to raise their salaries to be competitive with other first-rate universities..."


2 posted on 11/26/2006 10:41:00 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here in Michigan --

The University of Michigan has a $5.7+ billion endowment, which is growing at more than 15% annually. Tuition was raised an average of 5.8% last year. That means that the the endowment will double every 5 years, and tuition double ever 12 years if I do my math right.

Its poor cousin to the northwest, Michigan State, gets by with $1.325 billion growing at 21%, and raised its tuition by 8.4% last year. That means that the endowment will double every 3 1/2 years, and tuition double ever 9 years or so.

If a place like U of M is doing that well, then why are tuition costs going up by 2x, 3x, or even 4x the inflation rate?


3 posted on 11/26/2006 10:43:23 AM PST by TWohlford
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To: NormsRevenge

A favorite passtime for the left is calculating the ratios of CEO salaries to the lowest pay given to the "workers" in their companies. Has anyone done this for major university presidents?


4 posted on 11/26/2006 10:44:24 AM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: NormsRevenge

Solution: Go to another school. Screw 'em. Lets see how long they can pay their own salaries.

I guess that's just too simple a solution. Some people will shop at the same store no matter what price they charge.


5 posted on 11/26/2006 10:47:08 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: NormsRevenge

Sadly, colleges have the same pricing issues as hair stylists and condom makers -- people believe that "the more expensive, the better the product." Colleges that keep their tuitions low tend to lose students for this very reason.

Locally we have a community college whose graduates include one astronaut and any number of MDs, DOs, dentists, Ph.D's, etc. The class work transfers, grades and all, to the University of Michigan and Michigan State, which means that the class experience is roughly the same. However, we lose students to the "snob effect" all the time, with students sneering at the community college even if it means an extra $40,000 in debt later on.


6 posted on 11/26/2006 10:47:15 AM PST by TWohlford
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To: NormsRevenge

Please let me speak as someone who has been to college four times. College is increasingly worthless. The classes I took in 1974 at American University had rigor and depth. The classes I took at the University of Oregon in 1984 were well taught, for the most part, although there was a trend toward grade inflation. The classes I took in 1996 to get my teaching certificate were laughable in their simplicity. The graduate course I took at the University of Alaska - Fairbanks last year was ideogical garbage taught by a person whose apparent qualifications were left-wing bias and hatred against white men. Guess where I paid the most per credit?

Students sometimes come to me and ask about college. I warn them about the ideologues and the waste of money.

All this makes me appreciate Milton Friedman and the concept of using free-market thinking to drive quality education. However, right now, the colleges are elite institutions, not unlike the monasteries of the Middle Ages. I think our grandchildren will consider things like gender studies in the same way we think about clerics arguing about how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Time for a Reformation, eh?


7 posted on 11/26/2006 10:48:13 AM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: jiggyboy

Tho$e poor educator$ need their $alarie$ rai$ed, not just the univer$ity profe$$or$ but ALL educator$. We all know how well they have done in our flawle$$ public education $y$tem. /sarc


8 posted on 11/26/2006 10:49:48 AM PST by guestfox01 ("The only two things you can truly depend upon are gravity and greed." - Jack Palance)
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To: NormsRevenge
Same (similar) stuff in IL.

Our youngest daughter goes to ISU (IL State Univ), and two years ago we got a letter that tuition was going up 10% because of 'added health care costs for the staff'.

In English that meant the gay and lesbian 'staff' was going to get medical insurance coverage for their homo 'lovers'.

(Thank God this is her last year there)

9 posted on 11/26/2006 10:51:03 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: NormsRevenge

bump for publicity


10 posted on 11/26/2006 10:53:48 AM PST by VOA
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To: Nathan Zachary

Some people will shop at the same store no matter what price they charge.

"some people", but not most people.


11 posted on 11/26/2006 10:54:14 AM PST by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: i_dont_chat

There are an awful lot of "some" people in California.


12 posted on 11/26/2006 11:03:34 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

"There are an awful lot of "some" people in California."

It's not just price, obviously. Reputation plays a huge role.


13 posted on 11/26/2006 11:15:05 AM PST by dsc
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To: guestfox01

"Teachers are underpaid."<off


14 posted on 11/26/2006 11:20:55 AM PST by steve8714 (Study hard, if you do you'll do well..if not, you'll be stuck in the Senate.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Some of the choices make no sense whatsover. Baylor has a five year education degree, and the tuition is somewhere around $30-$35K annually, not including room and board. Figure 45K annually for five years, and the total bill for a degree that gets you a job that pays around 33K a year starting out is $225,000.

Many jobs require degrees now, and much of that is part of the "exclusive club" thought process. Many college degrees are now simply a place to send the kid for four or five years to get them out of the house and have something to do while waiting for them to grow up.

The more government underwrites college education, the more the price will go up.

15 posted on 11/26/2006 11:25:09 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Go Crawford Pirates!!!)
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To: Richard Kimball

"The more government underwrites college education, the more the price will go up."

Nail on the head. This is what has happened since the mid-1970s. Prior to 76 the majority of aid came in the form of grants. We transitioned to loans in the 70s and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Problem was there was now an incentive to raise prices, as SallieMae would help Johnny pay the bill.

The recent education bill (I think 2004) pretty much sealed the deal on this one.


16 posted on 11/26/2006 11:41:25 AM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: redpoll
Excellent point. This parallels my experience as well. As the costs go up the more flawed and worthless the product. I really do not see much teaching at all anymore . . . What I have seen in my recent college experiences is selfish motives and agenda, agenda, agenda. It was my assessment there is very little teaching of skills, knowledge base or intelligent, true critical thinking or debating going on anymore. Sad, but true.
17 posted on 11/26/2006 12:38:19 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: guestfox01; jiggyboy
You two seem to have little sympathy for the most overworked people in the United States: College Professors.

These oppressed victims are required to work horrendous hours. One Math chap I know, a full professor drawing a piddly $152 Thousand per annum, at a mediocre institution, must shape up for morning classes that can take up to 2-and 1/2 hours per week.

Clearly an inhuman burden. No wonder most math, physics, and chemistry classes are taught by non-English speaking Chinese grad students. What American professor could stand the pace?

18 posted on 11/26/2006 2:14:35 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (The GOP, party of the markets, knows little about the marketing of candidates.)
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To: redpoll

Well put!


19 posted on 11/26/2006 6:50:55 PM PST by newzjunkey
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