Posted on 11/27/2006 1:37:37 AM PST by LibWhacker
My late husband, who was a Scottish dance band leader, maintained that the cultural border between England and Scotland was the river Tyne, not the river Tweed.
That would put Northumberland in Scotland.
Either would suit me.
There are no "conservative", as we understand the term, Scottish nationalist parties.
A real shame. I've been to Scotland and love the country. I suspected this was the case. Oh well. Hope springs eternal.
Thx, Ivan.
Way, way back, I recall the Pound and 1,000 Yen and $4 were fairly close...
Labour Party 50
Scottish National Party 25
Conservative Party 17
Liberal Democrats 17
Scottish Green Party 7
Scottish Socialist Party 4
Solidarity (Scotland) 2
Scottish Senior Citizens Unity Party 1
Independent 5
Presiding Officer 1
Not one of those parties with the exception of the Conservatives are anything we'd remotely like.
Regards, Ivan
Well England has owned Scotland for a lot longer than Americans have owned America so I suppose the Native Americans oil has also subsidised the United States
In my experience, interest in the issue is most fertile in the border counties - a very long way from either myself or Ivan, who concern ourselves with how to get away from the EU, not how to get closer to it as the Scots appear to wish.
That said, I agree that separation would diminish support for Labour - but on the other hand, so will the forthcoming elections anyway.
My concern is that certain breakaway movements in the north of England might see this as a way to strengthen their calls for regional assemblies which would, without doubt, be a disaster.
And then there's the Orkneys and Shetlands - a different culture again to the Scots.
Very true!
:)
Ping
Sounds like the kook fringe of the US Democratic Party.
The SNP are Sinn Fein without a terrorist wing!
Next it will be Cornwall :)
In the meantime why don't they kick out the alien Muslims?!?!?
I don't like it.
The oldest countries of Europe all began as kingdoms, and were united under their kings long before anyone ever heard of ethnic nationalism. If you ask a man in the Ile de France, London or Glasgow, in 900 AD, "what he was", he would have told you he was "a Christian". Pressed, he would have identified the King of France, or of England, or some other local ruler as his lord, but the home of the heart was not some tribe, it was Christ and his Church.
That all of these centuries later the Bretons should decide that they cannot abide Paris, or the Scots should decide they cannot abide London...this is madness. Where is the end to it? Why should old tribal affiliations be the end of the game? If the agricultural zones should decide that farmers cannot abide cityfolk and should not have to? Or the very wealthy should decide that they no longer wish to follow the laws of the land or pay taxes (but do not want to owe fealty to the Prince of Monaco) should they, too, be able to simply secede because they want to?
And if I no longer want to follow the law and pay taxes, may I erect a fence and declare myself King, and shoot at airplanes passing overhead?
Scotland and England are free. There was a time, under the rule of the Kings, when neither were, nor Ireland. And in those times of abuses there was ample reason for rebellion.
But today?
What cause is there tooday to break up ancient arrangements and ovreturn long-established governments? Simpy greed over eight pence on a pound?
On what basis do free Corsicans or free Ulstermen of either stripe presujme to blow people to kingdom come today?
The UK is the UK, and should remain the UK.
Balkanizing Western Europe is foolishness.
Point final a la ligne.
That's about the size of it.
If Scotland becomes independent, they'll be run into the ground.
Regards, Ivan
Interesting question: if England and Scotland part ways, who gets custody of the nukes?
Regards, Ivan
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