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McCain: Vietnam Lessons Forgotten In Iraq
MSNBC ^ | 11/28/06

Posted on 11/28/2006 7:27:16 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: ConservativeDude

Nah - these rat clowns would still oppose the war that they originally supported.


21 posted on 11/28/2006 7:55:17 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: areafiftyone
I am waiting for McCain or anyone to recognize the bigger lesson of Vietnam. We stayed in S Vietnam for years while N Vietnam was a safe haven from which attacks were launched. I remember once the S Viets launched an incursion into N Vietnam, and the liberals (in their insanity) screamed bloody murder.

To protect our troops in Iraq, and to further the WOT, we should be putting the severest pressure on Iran and Syria. That means force or the threat of imminent force.

22 posted on 11/28/2006 7:58:21 AM PST by Williams
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To: areafiftyone
If you want to practice neo-convervatism, for example, make sure you have the people behind you for a 20 year commitment.
23 posted on 11/28/2006 8:03:38 AM PST by secretagent
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To: areafiftyone
"While calling for more U.S. troops in Iraq,..."


Doing what? There is no an enemy army to fight against.There are a bunch of terrorists that fight a terror war as their Koran teach them. Now the terrorist kill their fellow Muslims.
As long there is a battlefield there, we are not exposed to terrorist acts here.
24 posted on 11/28/2006 8:07:12 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: areafiftyone

I will not vote for this fool.


25 posted on 11/28/2006 8:08:44 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: areafiftyone

Why must we suffer this lunatic?!


26 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:40 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: johnny7

Because the choices stink and the MSM likes McCain regardless of whether we do or not so we are going to be bombarded with McCain. The only way to get rid of him is NOT VOTE FOR HIM.


27 posted on 11/28/2006 8:13:05 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Tarpon

"You must have the public’s support to wage war."

I had always understood that the American public was still largely supportive of the Vietnam War until the very end.


28 posted on 11/28/2006 8:16:21 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: EyeGuy
It was Walter Crankcases lies about the Tet offensive that made the public believe the war was unwinnable.

Started by a Democrat on false pretenses, it quickly became Nixon's war. The difference with this war is we were attacked. The Islamo-Fascists head-choppers are not going to go quietly no matter how much San Fran Nan wishes they would.
29 posted on 11/28/2006 8:20:31 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: areafiftyone

We did not forget them.

The Dems INTENTIONALLY used the lesson learned in Iraq, that a minority party/group can gain political advantage from an anti-war stance.

They did not care about the lives of our troops, or the greater national security. We will pay.


30 posted on 11/28/2006 8:23:54 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: areafiftyone

We did not forget them.

The Dems INTENTIONALLY used the lesson learned in Vietnam, that a minority party/group can gain political advantage from an anti-war stance.

They did not care about the lives of our troops, or the greater national security. We will pay.


31 posted on 11/28/2006 8:24:14 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Dr. Pritchett
However, McCain forgot to mention the lesson about politicians not running a war from Washington, DC.

BINGO!

Sadly, our guys are dying while our military is constrained by a bunch of spineless politicians who don't want to "offend" anyone. Oh, and many thanks to the MSM for their contribution.

32 posted on 11/28/2006 8:25:57 AM PST by SMM48
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To: EyeGuy

It was Watergate that lost the Vietnam War. After Nixon got re-elected in 1972, he got our troops out while at the same time ARVN had gotten to the point where it could defeat the NVA (as it did during the Easter Offensive). What happened was that after the 1974 elections in which the Democrats got a veto-proof majority in the House, they then proceeded to stop funding the South Vietnamese. That was all due to Watergate.


33 posted on 11/28/2006 8:35:09 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: areafiftyone

If his first requirement is true, then we can't win a war the MSM does not support- and if they were somehow subverted, we would fall quickly to the first force against us.


34 posted on 11/28/2006 8:39:24 AM PST by DBrow
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To: vbmoneyspender

Right, that is the history I understand as well.


Thus, as I said originally, McCain's analogy about "the public" not supporting the Vietnam War is bogus.

Watergate, of course was the LeftMedia's first real victory and fought the same dirty way that they are smearing the efforts in Iraq:

Pound the public relentlessly until they are sick, not of the event itself, but of hearing about it incessantly in the media.


35 posted on 11/28/2006 8:47:12 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: areafiftyone
You must have the public’s support to wage war.

The public did support the war when it started. Once it's started you either finish it, or "Cut and Run".

Use overwhelming force while waging it.

I believe we did, when that was appropriate. To the extent and in the situations that it still is, we still do. F-16s, such as the one that went down hitting the bad guys, aren't exactly pea shooters you know.

36 posted on 11/28/2006 9:17:32 AM PST by El Gato
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To: ConservativeDude
While it's true that Congress did not "declare war", they did support and authorize the invasion of Iraq, as well as the use of military force against the terrorists, so as to avenge the 9-11 attacks, AND prevent future ones.

In the history of the US, counting instances of the use of military force, there have been more times that war was not declared than when it was.

In fact our first go round with the Muzzies was not a declared war. But we kicke their ass anyway. (Barbary Pirates, who were really more akin to Privateers operating under the protection of the local governments, such as they were, along the southern Mediterranian coast).

37 posted on 11/28/2006 9:22:22 AM PST by El Gato
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To: BIGLOOK

Right-on!


38 posted on 11/28/2006 9:58:53 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Whiskey For My Men, Beer For My Horses)
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