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1 posted on 11/28/2006 7:27:17 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Sadly. I think McCain is still in Saigon, in his mind...


2 posted on 11/28/2006 7:29:45 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (I'm Hegemony Cricket, and I improvised this message.)
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To: areafiftyone

However, McCain forgot to mention the lesson about politicians not running a war from Washington, DC.


3 posted on 11/28/2006 7:30:38 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: areafiftyone

Gee, Abe Lincoln only had it half right in 1864-1865, according to McCain.


4 posted on 11/28/2006 7:32:21 AM PST by exit82 (Clinton didn't try. He just failed.)
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To: areafiftyone

Not since WWII have we declared war, but it has been weighing on me that perhaps we ought to revert back to the Constitutional model and not undertake major actions without a congressional declaration of war. I know that is unlikely to happen, as the constitution has been ignored since WWII and we have been more or less at war every few years since then....even so, it might be a good idea. Once congress declares war, then it is not the President's War. Is is both parties' war. The American people will be much more likely to get behind and stay behind that sort of effort. What we have here is sort of the worst of all possible worlds.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 7:32:55 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: areafiftyone

McPain is ALL OVER THE PLACE on this war. What day is it?


6 posted on 11/28/2006 7:38:09 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Whiskey For My Men, Beer For My Horses)
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To: areafiftyone

What lesson would that be? Perhaps how to cut and run, making way for a bloodbath to follow the totalitarian takeover?


12 posted on 11/28/2006 7:44:13 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: areafiftyone

STFU, McLame. You and your buds in the press have made sure that the public would not support this war.


13 posted on 11/28/2006 7:44:26 AM PST by Jrabbit (Scuse me??)
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To: areafiftyone; Hegemony Cricket; exit82
McCain right, Bush wrong!
There was a big opportunity about this time 4 years ago, there is slight opportunity now but it is fading each day. It takes commitment to "go big" (more troops) and weather a storm of criticism...but success will always have a thousand fathers (American support) while defeat is always an orphan.
14 posted on 11/28/2006 7:44:50 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: areafiftyone

McCain has a point. Sherman, for instance, marched from Tennessee to Atlanta, from Atlanta to Savannah, from Savannah into S.C., while Grant pounded away on Lee relentlessly in Virginia. Brutal, yes, but after that the enemy didn't have the will to carry on as guerrillas or anything else. The lesson: Totally defeat the enemy FIRST, and then worry about the rebuilding.
(Sorry neo-confeds, but the strategy worked...and it still would.)


19 posted on 11/28/2006 7:53:04 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: areafiftyone

McPain_in_the_poopa strikes again!


20 posted on 11/28/2006 7:54:00 AM PST by melancholy
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To: areafiftyone
I am waiting for McCain or anyone to recognize the bigger lesson of Vietnam. We stayed in S Vietnam for years while N Vietnam was a safe haven from which attacks were launched. I remember once the S Viets launched an incursion into N Vietnam, and the liberals (in their insanity) screamed bloody murder.

To protect our troops in Iraq, and to further the WOT, we should be putting the severest pressure on Iran and Syria. That means force or the threat of imminent force.

22 posted on 11/28/2006 7:58:21 AM PST by Williams
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To: areafiftyone
If you want to practice neo-convervatism, for example, make sure you have the people behind you for a 20 year commitment.
23 posted on 11/28/2006 8:03:38 AM PST by secretagent
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To: areafiftyone
"While calling for more U.S. troops in Iraq,..."


Doing what? There is no an enemy army to fight against.There are a bunch of terrorists that fight a terror war as their Koran teach them. Now the terrorist kill their fellow Muslims.
As long there is a battlefield there, we are not exposed to terrorist acts here.
24 posted on 11/28/2006 8:07:12 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: areafiftyone

I will not vote for this fool.


25 posted on 11/28/2006 8:08:44 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: areafiftyone

Why must we suffer this lunatic?!


26 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:40 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: areafiftyone

We did not forget them.

The Dems INTENTIONALLY used the lesson learned in Iraq, that a minority party/group can gain political advantage from an anti-war stance.

They did not care about the lives of our troops, or the greater national security. We will pay.


30 posted on 11/28/2006 8:23:54 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: areafiftyone

We did not forget them.

The Dems INTENTIONALLY used the lesson learned in Vietnam, that a minority party/group can gain political advantage from an anti-war stance.

They did not care about the lives of our troops, or the greater national security. We will pay.


31 posted on 11/28/2006 8:24:14 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: areafiftyone

If his first requirement is true, then we can't win a war the MSM does not support- and if they were somehow subverted, we would fall quickly to the first force against us.


34 posted on 11/28/2006 8:39:24 AM PST by DBrow
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To: areafiftyone
You must have the public’s support to wage war.

The public did support the war when it started. Once it's started you either finish it, or "Cut and Run".

Use overwhelming force while waging it.

I believe we did, when that was appropriate. To the extent and in the situations that it still is, we still do. F-16s, such as the one that went down hitting the bad guys, aren't exactly pea shooters you know.

36 posted on 11/28/2006 9:17:32 AM PST by El Gato
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