Posted on 12/04/2006 3:18:35 PM PST by sockmonkey
http://www.tututun.com/images/tututun_map.pdf
This was the map offered by the lodge they were going to.
No actually what annoyed me is how someone can even think it is appropriate to make a statement that starts with "...his fatal mistake was..."
No of us will ever know what he experienced and went through. What if he slipped on a rock and fell into the water?...was his mistake stepping on the wrong rock!
Point is...it is very callous to make a statement like that in this type of situation.
All that was needed to be said was...wet clothing is sure way to speed up hypothermia in those conditions...
In TX it's "bless your pea pickin' little heart"!
In fact during the press conference just minutes ago they said "James Kim did nothing wrong".
Face is this could have happened to any of us. My prayers go out for his family and two little children who will grow up without their father.
I understand what you're saying...I have been irritated by people who only started posting yesterday afternoon, when some of us have been here for days.
Then I stopped and thought - all anyone wants to do right now is reverse time. James...go back...stay with the car, etc., etc., etc.
Just me...but I think most of the people responding are "sounding" like know-it-alls...but I really think what they're doing is "thinking out-loud."
There is a video that one of the posters put on the follwoing website. It is the turnoff ... you can really see how easy it would be to pass. The video is homemade but done well ... about 2/3 way down I think ... in the "comments" section.
http://joeduck.wordpress.com
I'm hitting the freeway in just a few.
"Well, bless your heart." is often said in the same tone as "Well, aren't you special?"... very catty. It is also used as a term of endearment. It all depends upon the tone.
When I read it on the other thread, I wasn't sure which way to take it. I decided it meant, "You are a nasty person but I will not lower myself to your level. I do want to voice my displeasure so I will let you know that I'm praying for your evil soul."
Of course, I have no idea what the OP meant.
In NC if you hear "Bless his little pointy head," you know someone's just been slammed.
Yes in fact they did a lot of things right trying to survive...how many of us would have thought to store wood under our car to protect and keep it from getting any wetter...etc...
James is a hero. He gave it all and for one purpose...to save his family not himself. He even lit a fire for them before leaving.
http://www.tututun.com/main.html
Tu Tu Tun Lodge in Gold Beach
They really need to close these roads during the snowy season.
This isn't the first time it's happened. People not local to the area just don't realize how quickly the weather changes.
Ohmygoodness!! I had no idea!
I use it all the time when somebody does me a kindness.
I really did have no idea it was an insult.
Here's the video of the missed turnoff:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2083162403303862037
I know! That was great, hiding wood under the car. With my luck, there wouldn't be an "underneath" after taking the tires off.
And it is our right here in this forum to respond to anyone who wants to speak before they think about it...
What would you have done if you were at the wake for James and someone made that statement...
Yeah his fatal mistake was going into the stream in the first place!
I am sure a response would be heard.
And if I stick my foot in my mouth I fully expect someone out here to push on my heel and shove it in a little further :)
The car itself was found on a ridge north of Big Windy Creek, so where James was found is indeed about a mile from the car, and about 4000' feet in the ravine below them.
Exmining the topo map at post 644, and matching it up with the Google Sat pic at Joe Duck's site, it become apparant that James hoofed it back to where the loggin road crosses the Big Windy Creek (within 1/4mi of its head). If he would've trekked left at the Creek (from his perspective backtracking the way they drove in), and followed the ravine of Big Windy Creek to its head, about 1600 yds, he would've popped out of the woods into Bear Camp Pasture and would've come out on NF-23 to boot.
Where he left the logging road and headed down Big Windy Creek ravine is about 2800'. Bear Camp Pasture, and NF-23 is at about 4400' (1600 yds uphill). The "radio facility" is about another 500 yds uphill from where the Big Windy Creek turns to the SW (about 420' higher in elevation from Bear Camp Pasture).
In any case, given the distance he traveled on Saturday, I'm going to guess he should've been to the Big Windy Creek crossing by 11:30 A.M. That road isn't particularly challenging. HOWEVER, given the arrangement that he'd be back 'bout 1 P.M., he should've turned around.
Why he shucked clothing there, and then decended into the Big Windy Creek ravine (decending to his left), will be a mystery on everybody's mind for ever. If instead he just kept following the logging road they drove in on, he had about 2 to three miles to walk before he got back to NF-23 proper, and would've gotten there 'bout 1:30 to 2:30 P.M. Walking back to town would've probably taken him until well after dark at that point.
I can't play video on my puter, which is why I keep asking people to write something about what they've seen. Thanks!
Amen to that...
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