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To: Twinkie
Thanks for the links.

You're quite welcome and I'm delighted if you've found them to be helpful   :-)

My husband and I travel quite often on very remote roads in the Smokies in the winter, and also in other remote areas. . so, we need to do more preparation.

The mere fact that you are even thinking of advance preparation for untoward circumstances places you far ahead of the vast majority of the population.

We have a bunker at home in case of a disaster,

WOW!  That's wonderful!  The Stoat Cave has a basement which I keep stocked with emergency supplies and equipment but I wouldn't exactly call it a 'bunker'.

but our van isn't optimum.

Nothing short of a fully staffed Hyatt Regency with in-suite internet would really be 'optimum' (in my view), but the mere fact that you have a vehicle so marvelously versatile as a van allows you many options that people with little cars simply don't have.  When things get dicey, you will look to the heavens and thank your lucky stars that you didn't follow the PC lemmings and bought a vehicle based exclusively upon gas mileage ratings.  If you want to keep your van and you find yourself driving in snow up to 4" every now and then, you may wish to at least consider this option. (unless you and your husband truly enjoy putting on and taking off your tire chains) It's quite popular among East Coast and Midwest emergency services providers, and can be put on a vehicle as small as an F-150 series truck chassis, so if you have a true fullsize van it may be possible to fit these on your vehicle.  The next time your husband has to get out of the car and put on the chains, you may wish to inquire with him as to whether he might prefer to stay in the nice, warm and toasty cab with his mug of cocoa and just flip a switch instead   :-). 

I read often where people suggest mostly things like candy for an emergency bag. If people are stranded for days or weeks, those little hard candies could begin to look sort of skimpy.

I wouldn't recommend this, and not because candy is skimpy.  If you are truly in an emergency situation and your body is being underfed and overstressed, coupled with the very real chance that you or someone else is injured, you don't want to be feeding them or yourself a bunch of sugar which will cause your heart to race, and then cause your metabolism to go lower than before.  You need protein, and I assure you that when you are in a really bad spot, those icky-looking Lifeboat rations or MRE's that you bought at the survival equipment store will look awfully good, and they will keep you going a whole lot better than eating a bunch of sugar when your body is already severely overstressed and/or injured..

Not everyone likes sardines, kippers, high nutrition bars and things like that, but if one gets hungry enough, they are cheap, compact and very densely nutritious.

Very true.  Just be careful to monitor any canned goods carefully and toss them if the cans show any sign of swelling at all....this indicates that the contents have gone bad and will give you botulism if eaten.

Lots of folks have great success with organizing their cupboard as a larder, in that they dramatically overstock everything first, and then arrange similar items front-to back on shelves.  Anything consumed is taken from the back and immediately replenished from the front (or vice-versa), and so this keeps a constantly rotating and always fresh food supply on hand, while maintaining a large overstock in the event of worldly troubles..

A couple of clothing items that come to mind. I've heard that one loses a huge amount of body heat through the top of the head,

Very true.

 so a heavy toboggan and scarf or other would be a good idea to have in the car in winter traveling.

True.  Knit wool for a hat is great because wool keeps warm even when wet.

 Also, mittens instead of gloves, because in mittens, the fingers are kept together and hold more warmth inside the mittens than gloves.

I've owned some awfully warm and heavy-duty gloves.  A disadvantage of mittens is that they aren't any good if you have to manipulate things, such as things under the hood.  If you only have mittens on hand then hubby will take them off to work on the engine and then his hands will get cold.

Also, just an idea - a big red "X" cut from colored plastic and folded in an emergency kit could be used to place on top of the car (or on the ground nearby), especially in the snow, where it would be easy to spot from the air by searchers.

Sounds good, but also consider things that are visible at night such as emergency beacons and strobes.  Be wary of using flares, as lost hikers have used these to get noticed and have started forest fires.  They were found, but the people who found them weren't happy at all and arson is not something that most people want on their resume..

Any other ideas?

A multi-fuel backpacker's stove (you can siphon gas from your van's tank in a pinch and use it to melt snow for water or to cook "whatever")

Investigate the fun hobby of Ham Radio.  It's something that you and your husband can do together and it may save your lives. No, you don't have to learn Morse code or have advanced electronics knowledge. If there's a 'cataclysmic' event, the Hams will be happily chatting away while cellphone-only users will be without communications.  Cellphone coverage is going to typically be poor in remote areas anyway, even under the best of conditions...

If you are wealthy

The specific lists of items submitted by posters on this thread are great, and if you augment that with First Aid training and common sense, you will be far ahead of about 99% of the population   :-)

464 posted on 12/07/2006 10:53:09 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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AP Wire 12-07-2006 Timeline of search for missing San Francisco family in Ore.

Timeline of search for missing San Francisco family in Ore.

Associated Press

A timeline of the Kim family's trip and the search for them, according to law enforcement officials.

Nov. 17: James and Kati Kim and their two daughters leave San Francisco in their family car for Seattle.

Nov. 24: The Kims leave Seattle for Portland.

Nov. 25: The Kims have dinner at Roseburg and leave around 9 p.m., planning to take Highway 42 to the coast, but miss the turnoff. They take Bear Camp Road, planning to take it to the coast. At 10:30 p.m., the Kims spot signs warning that winter conditions might make driving difficult. They turn back and end up on a side road about 15 miles north of Bear Camp Road.

Nov. 26: Around 2 a.m. the Kims are running out of gas. They stop at a forked intersection and call for help on their cell phone, but are unable to get service. It rains and snows all day. The Kims start up their car for heat.

Nov. 27: It snows all day. The Kims try to stay warm by running the heat in the car, but only periodically to conserve gasoline.

Nov. 28: The Kims remain in their car. It snows and rains all day.

Nov. 29: Weather starts to clear. The Kims start fires with magazines and wet driftwood to stay warm.

Nov. 30: The Kims use a spare tire to start a fire in the afternoon.

Dec. 1: They burn all four remaining tires to signal for help and for heat. The fire burns out in the afternoon. They hear a helicopter, but can't locate it.

Dec. 2: About 7:45 a.m. James leaves the car in search of help. He builds a fire for Kati and the children, and says that he will return by 1 p.m. The Kims think the town of Galice is 4 miles away. It is about 15 miles away. James sets out for Galice, walking on a road for about 5 miles before turning off down the Big Windy Creek ravine.

Dec. 2: Kati Kim sees and hears a helicopter but fails to get its attention. James Kim doesn't return in the afternoon.

Dec. 4: 1:45 p.m. A helicopter searcher spots Kati Kim and her children at their family car. They are taken to Three Rivers Community Hospital and released in good health.

Dec. 5: Search and rescue personnel find clothes identified as those of James Kim, arranged in a pattern that may have been intended to give searchers clues to his whereabouts.

Dec. 6: The body of James Kim is found at the bottom of Big Windy Creek. He had walked a little over 10 miles, but his body was only about a mile from the car.

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Compiled by AP Editorial Assistant Typh Tucker


465 posted on 12/08/2006 4:01:09 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Thanks for more ideas. - My husband and I are in our early 60's, and just getting in better shape (especially me, he cuts and splits his own wood and has had military training as well, is in better shape than I am) would be helpful, I'm sure. - His work takes him, and sometimes both of us, down backroads in very remote areas where traffic is sparse to none; it's just part of the job and enjoyable except for the risks. We see no way we even want to quit working and sit in a rocking chair, so we take our chances - but we can make more preparations for the vehicle.


471 posted on 12/08/2006 6:04:22 PM PST by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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