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Cartoon creator Joe Barbera dies
Yahoo - AP ^ | 12/19/06

Posted on 12/18/2006 3:37:09 PM PST by Borges

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Moose and squirel were better. Better animation. Much better story lines.

I always found that while Bullwinkle's stories were very good, the animation was mediocre at best. The colors always looked washed-out and the audio frequently seemed choppy.

I was laughing like an idiot at a recent animated short: "The Madagascar Penguins in - A Christmas Caper". VERY good writing, crisp audio, clever plot - and of course the animation is amazing, even on my HDTV. It's almost too good, though... no warts at all. Know what I mean?

61 posted on 12/18/2006 4:48:45 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Charles Martel

You are so right. Everyone laughs with the music because of the associations with it.

Ditto Bugs coming in as a Viking maiden with Wagnerian music. One music critic recently admitted that he could not get the image of Bugs with his blond wig out of his mind.

Cartoons once used a lot of classical music. I was fascinated as a cartoon-loving kid to find that the background music was written by another set of masters.


62 posted on 12/18/2006 4:53:53 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: LostInBayport
"Thank you, Mr. Barbera."

You said it. What happy times I had watching Hanna-Barbera cartoons.

63 posted on 12/18/2006 4:54:14 PM PST by radiohead (They call me DOCTOR radiohead)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

OK. Bad animation. Low budget. They did a lot with it.

Disney spoiled us. I recently watched Fantasia 2000 by Disney after showing the original to many different college classes (Fantasia with Tocatta and Fugue and Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony). I was shocked that Disney put out something so plain and cheap looking as F 2K. F 2K was still clever, but the production values were garage band level.


64 posted on 12/18/2006 4:56:42 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: michigander

Am I wrong or does it look like the guy in black is going to do some major groping on Betty Rubble?


65 posted on 12/18/2006 4:57:03 PM PST by Artemis Webb (All Truth is God's Truth...regardless of the source.)
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To: pcottraux
I still have fond childhood memories of watching "Schooby-Doo"

Me too. Funny how some cartoon phraseology has been incorporated in the language such as 'yaba daba doo' or 'ruh roh'.

66 posted on 12/18/2006 5:04:54 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Borges
My indirect, possibly apocryphal connection to Joe Barbera:

A few years ago, my elderly neighbor's elderly dog died. Her husband had died the year before, after a long period of having nursing care in their home. Anyway, one of the nurses gave her a dog, a smallish border collie mix. It wasn't a good fit--an energetic dog with an old woman who had trouble walking. The dog escaped from her house on an almost daily basis and started coming to our house, where our old dog had recently died leaving us dogless for the first time in 13 years. We'd give the dog a walk, then bring her back to her home, almost dragging her. When the old woman said she was giving up and was going to give the dog to the pound, we decided to take her. At the very least we could find a better home for her than the pound, and I knew that once we actually had the dog at home a couple of days, there'd be no way we were giving her away.

After we'd had her about a year, I was talking to the old lady's daughter, who told me that the dog had supposedly belonged to Joe Barbera before. The same nurses were taking care of him, and he'd had to get rid of his dogs.

So, assuming that all that's true, I have Joe Barbera's old dog, who, apart from a habit of pulling the trash bag out of the can and hauling it out to the living room rug, is a sweetheart. Thanks, Joe.

67 posted on 12/18/2006 5:08:55 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: relictele

Not bad at all! Cat from pixie/Dixie - Mr Jinks (hated these meeces to pieces)
Squiddly Diddly is the octopus at the top
The villian in Wacky Racers and other 'toons is Dick Dastardly
The bad guy in Smurffs was actually named Gargamel (had a cat named Israel (accent in the middle)
The cat and mouse detectives names escape me at the moment and I'm going to slap my forehead and say "I knew that" in a minute.

Thanks Mr. Barbera for many wonderful laughs. RIP.


68 posted on 12/18/2006 5:10:39 PM PST by Mustng959
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Goodbye, Mr. Barbera. You filled my early years with laughter and joy.


69 posted on 12/18/2006 5:11:19 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: sine_nomine

*** (Fantasia with Tocatta and Fugue and Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony).***

I saw this in 1971 at the theater. One woman was so shocked, SHOCKED! with the Pastoral scenes that the said to her husband, "I hope they show a CARTOON after this!"

Great animation! Great music!


70 posted on 12/18/2006 5:12:06 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (ISLAM "If you don’t know what you have to fear, you will not survive."---Hirsi Ali)
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To: sine_nomine
Disney spoiled us. I recently watched Fantasia 2000 by Disney after showing the original to many different college classes (Fantasia with Tocatta and Fugue and Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony). I was shocked that Disney put out something so plain and cheap looking as F 2K. F 2K was still clever, but the production values were garage band level.

Disney also just about went broke making Fantasia. The problem is that real, hand-drawn, beautiful animation is just exorbitantly expensive, and it's an investment that just doesn't pay off. Speaking of which, Disney just laid off something like 30% of their animators last week.

71 posted on 12/18/2006 5:15:13 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: lowbridge

they were as low-budget as they could possibly be w/all the tricks for cheap animation i'm surprise art carney never sue for thef of his patented ed nortion voice


72 posted on 12/18/2006 5:16:00 PM PST by firebrand
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To: sine_nomine
"Smarter than the average bear."

Revised to "Smarter than the average hippie" in the seventies; "Smarter than the average Kennedy" whenever anyone passes the bar exam first try . . . the possibilities are endless. They added something to the language.

73 posted on 12/18/2006 5:21:31 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I grew up during both eras and liked them both. While some things that H&B did were not very good,the Smurfs come to mind, they still made people laugh, myself included.

But it was a different kind of laugh, while H&B, except for the Flintstones, were more of the laugh for laugh's sake,Bowinkle, Fractured Fairy Tales, Bugs Bunny ETC. were more of the "Thinking" kind of comedy.

They both fit certain viewers needs, and some like me enjoy them both. Comedy, like beauty, is in the eyes (or ears), of the beholder.

The things I remember most about the cartoons of the day, are as follows,

  1. What a Maroon.
  2. Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.Nothin up my sleeve, presto. Don't even know my own strength.
  3. I ams what I ams
  4. Yaba, Daba, doo
  5. Exit, stage left even
  6. (Russian accented), Moose and Squirrel
  7. Not bird nor plane nor even frog, it's just little ole me underdog!

No matter what people say, you are never too old to enjoy a good cartoon.


74 posted on 12/18/2006 5:31:33 PM PST by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: Borges

They're either dropping like flies or we're all just getting OLD! (And I refuse to believe that!)

First Rocky & Bullwinkle's creator, and now THIS? Grrrrr!


75 posted on 12/18/2006 5:42:59 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

No like the new Disney. I'm glad they are laid off.


76 posted on 12/18/2006 5:45:55 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: michigander

Thank you! New "wallpaper" for my monitor. ;)


77 posted on 12/18/2006 5:46:53 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I never tire of watching it, even on a lousy projector with bad sound.

I have been reading a Disney bio. He went through plenty of trials. He left a great legacy.


78 posted on 12/18/2006 5:47:16 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Let see what I could name on top

Yogi bear
Flinstone
Atom Cat
Penneople pitstop LOVE her she rocks
Tom & Jerry


79 posted on 12/18/2006 5:50:11 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Borges

He hasn't died, he's in a state of suspended animation.


80 posted on 12/18/2006 5:50:16 PM PST by Andyman (The truth shall make you freep.)
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