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1 posted on 12/31/2006 2:58:02 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Oh God. Poverty doesn't come as a result of one's neighborhood or surroundings. It comes as a result of one's own behavior. The fact that she moved has little to do with whatever success she's had. She stopped doing drugs (behavior) when she got to the new location. Something she could have done at the old location anyway.


2 posted on 12/31/2006 3:04:44 PM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: Lorianne
This program is conflicting. I'm glad that for once instead of just spending money on a new program, someone actually decided to conduct a scientific experiment to see if it would actually work as predicted. From reading the article I get that the net benefit to the test group is zero. However, that doesn't stop the bureaucrats in charge from continuing the program.

Overall, (Todd Richardson, deputy director of HUD's Program Evaluation Division) says, it's better to move people than leave them in giant housing projects with high concentrations of poverty, one reason HUD has been demolishing public housing.

So, it doesn't work, but we'll keep doing it. What about the cost to the taxpayers? What about the new neighborhoods ruined or devalued because of the voucher clients moved in? This project has a cost, and unless it has a proven benefit, we should get rid of it.

3 posted on 12/31/2006 3:10:09 PM PST by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: Lorianne

"For property crime, there were 58 arrests for every 100 boys who moved to low-poverty neighborhoods,"

You can take the thug out of the ghetto but you cant take the ghetto out of the thug. I don't want these people moving out of the ghetto into my neighborhood or town.


4 posted on 12/31/2006 3:12:46 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Lorianne

I work in a new, upsacale neighborhood that the city council saw fit to locate low-income housing. Shootings, crime, graffitti, it all came with them. They finally had to shut down a foot bridge that connects the slum to neighborhood park because of vandalism (the sign on the boarded-up bridge says, "closed due to vandalism").

Funny how things degrade to the lowest common denominator, but don't expect the "social scientists" to understand entropy.


8 posted on 12/31/2006 3:23:29 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Lorianne
Image hosted by Photobucket.com if man was a product of his environment... we'd all STILL be living in caves!!!

FREE WILL puts man above the animals... most of us anyway.

9 posted on 12/31/2006 3:26:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Lorianne

The results I have seen are more like cancer. The money pays for exporting slum criminality to unsuspecting neighborhoods.


10 posted on 12/31/2006 3:27:40 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lorianne

btt


12 posted on 12/31/2006 3:34:45 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Lorianne

I live in a large apartment project that (on occasion) takes Section 8 vouchers. I almost always know when they've moved a new family in, because we start seeing tagging around the building, the three am courtyard arguments start, other apartments get broken into and, frequently, the convenience store across the street gets robbed. After a couple of months, the management catches on and evicts them, and things go back to normal again.

Doesn't happen every time, but often enough that the correlation is obvious. You can take the dude out of the hood, but.....


14 posted on 12/31/2006 3:52:15 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Lorianne
How Much Does A Neighborhood Affect the Poor?

Without a doubt, the dumbest (leading) question of 2006!

A more relevant question in the real universe would be:

How Much Do the Poor Affect A Neighborhood?

At least in the universe that I've experienced, the affect has been invariant and negative.

Which suggests a serious discussion about the definition of "poor".

16 posted on 12/31/2006 4:03:45 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Lorianne

And just what in Hell's name gives these damned bureaucrats the right to EXPERIMENT ON HUMANS??

Do they have the permission of the "low poverty" neighborhoods' inhabitants?

EVERY crime above baseline, and attributable to the subjects they moved, should be laid upon their stinking little stoop-shoulders.

If this were flouride studies; school diet studies; or any other such invasive studies, the Libs would be ballistic. The ACLU lawyers would be lining up6 deep at court clerks windows, to file suits. Because it is SOCIAL experimentation, that only harms PRODUCTIVE citizens, there's not a peep out of them.

Somebody needs to stick a finger in their watery, myoptic eyeballs, and cry, "ENOUGH!"


21 posted on 12/31/2006 5:48:39 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Lorianne

There is a difference between being poor and being a ward of the state. In the former instance you are self-reliant, successful or not; in the latter case you have surrendered your self-reliance to the management of others.

Being poor means not very much money in your pocket right now, and maybe for a long time; being a ward of the state means that you have no will to succeed any more, you can no longer earn, just be given gifts.

A poor person still has their potential, their hopes and dreams, their talents and initiative, their optimism. A ward has traded all of that for a virtual prison, damned to a life of surviving, not thriving. Sustenance, never abundance. Mediocrity and boredom, a spiral of decline.


25 posted on 12/31/2006 6:00:13 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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