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Well I do have an ex homosexual in my family so I do know a little more than the average joe.

The program they went thru had a 98% success rate.

Now if you are born that way, you cant change it, no more than i could change the color of my skin.

Another thing that the family discoverd thru the program (and true of this family member)is that most homosexuals have sexual abuse in thier past, which distorts thier view of normal sexual relationships.

I also have a sister, whose majority of friend are gay men. some will tell you they thought they were gay from very early on, but most will say that it was curiousity and that from the first time they were hooked.

My biggest issue is that If we accept that they are born that way it becomes a very slippery slope (which is part of the homosexual agenda) btw.

Pedophiles claim they are attracted to children. you can give them drugs, punish them with jail time, castorate them etc and STILL they offend. do we want to say they are born that way too? that they cant help it?

Granted what gays do in the privacy of thier bedrooms isnt comparable to molesting children, but you cannot take one and say its normal and not the other-the argument will be (and is) the same.

Think im being silly. read up on on the issue. there are several psychologists already arguing that pediophilia isnt a disorder. that the only thing that causes damage to the children is us, as a society telling them what happened to them is bad.

I for one dont care what ppl do in thier bedrooms. but DO NOT bring it into my schools etc and tell me they are born that way and therefore should be considered normal.

Once we all drink that koolade the slippery slope will be so icy we will never beable to crawl back up.

Well I do have an ex homosexual in my family so I do know a little more than the average joe.

Personal experience is not an adequate substitute for scientific knowledge.

Now if you are born that way, you cant change it, no more than i could change the color of my skin.

The problem is that you can't look inside a person's head. You can't see whether the person's attractions have changed or not, you can only observe the person's behavior. And behavior is tricky, you could probably live with a man and pass off as gay, even though you are still attracted to women.

Pedophiles claim they are attracted to children. you can give them drugs, punish them with jail time, castorate them etc and STILL they offend. do we want to say they are born that way too? that they cant help it?

I'm not sure if they can help it. But I don't believe in the naturalistic fallacy, that everything that is inborn is necessarily good. People sometimes have violent tendencies that they get genetically. That's why we need to lock pedophiles up for the rest of their lives, tattoo it on their forehead and put them between more respectable criminals like murderes and robbers. I'm sure they will be taken care of.

Granted what gays do in the privacy of thier bedrooms isnt comparable to molesting children, but you cannot take one and say its normal and not the other-the argument will be (and is) the same.

Your conclusion does not follow from your argument. Pedophilia is, essentially, rape. Now can you compare rape to consensual intercourse, even between two people of the same sex?

I for one dont care what ppl do in thier bedrooms. but DO NOT bring it into my schools etc and tell me they are born that way and therefore should be considered normal.

I agree with you on that, schools should be focused on teaching children.