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To: Ellesu

Now that does present a conundrum. You decorated these officers in the past, called them outstanding, moral and dedicated, and now you find out they were "immoral."

I knew gays in the military, and they served as well as any other. Of course these weren't activist types, they kept their heads down and didn't flaunt it. Activists piss me off.


6 posted on 03/16/2007 6:54:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Do you think the homosexual act is immoral?


50 posted on 03/16/2007 7:34:33 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08.......Her Phoniness is Genuine!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Now that does present a conundrum. You decorated these officers in the past, called them outstanding, moral and dedicated, and now you find out they were "immoral."

Duke Cunningham was decorated in the past, and was called outstanding. Would you agree that he is immoral?

Performance has nothing to do with morality.

65 posted on 03/16/2007 7:51:58 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Of course these weren't activist types, they kept their heads down and didn't flaunt it."

They were adhering to Don't Ask/Don't Tell - just as they should have done. The decorated officers, who have decided to tell the world their sexual preference, were judged and honored for job performance - not sexual performance. Doing moral, or noble, things doesn't necessarily mean that every aspect of a life meets those standards.

The word homosexual, by definition, identifies an individual by sexual preference just as does the word heterosexual. Since sexual preference is only one part of an individual, and since the service and duty of military personnel has nothing to do with sexual preference, there is no need to know the preference. The problems come from focusing on sexuality, and wanting to be known by type of sexual preference.

Most people either suspicion, or know, whether someone is heterosexual or homosexual - just as you said about knowing homosexuals in the military. You probably knew a lot of heterosexuals too. There also may have been bi-sexuals. It doesn't seem unreasonable, to me, to expect people to work and socialize with one another publicly and keep their sexual preferences and sexual activities private.

72 posted on 03/16/2007 8:09:51 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: antiRepublicrat
They were decorated for their PUBLIC actions, as they appeared to follow the UCMJ. However, their private actions, for which officers and enlisted are also accountable, ran afoul of the UCMJ and were morally reprehensible.

"I knew gays in the military, and they served as well as any other." They lied, ignored the UCMJ and were MORALLY corrupt in the offending behavior and the lying. Did they really serve as well as any other?

I also knew HOMOSEXUALS and BISEXUALS in the military. They were for the most part sneaky, cheated on their wives, consorted with their juniors, and seniors, and were susceptible to coercion. How does this build good order and discipline?
88 posted on 03/16/2007 8:41:35 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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