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The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns
The Times (UK) ^ | March 27, 2007 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/27/2007 10:53:30 AM PDT by Mount Athos

Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said.

Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to “admit blame and promise to sin no more”, they risked “eternal damnation — the Inferno”.

Hell “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more”, he said.

The Pope, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that “forgiveness of sins” for those who repent was a cornerstone of Christian belief. He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the “woman taken in adultery” and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

God had given men and women free will to choose whether “spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind”.

Vatican officials said that the Pope — who is also the Bishop of Rome — had been speaking in “straightfoward” language “like a parish priest”. He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that Hell is a “state of eternal separation from God”, to be understood “symbolically rather than physically”.

Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a Church historian, said that the Pope was “right to remind us that Hell is not something to be put on one side” as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief.

It had been misused in the Middle Ages to scare the impressionable with “horrific visions” of damnation, as described in Dante’s Inferno.

It had a pedigree, however, that went back to Ancient Egypt and the Greek idea of Hades, and was described by St Matthew as a place of “everlasting fire” (Matthew xxv, 41).

“The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a Hell on Earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife,” Professor Bagliani said.

In 1999 Pope John Paul II declared that Heaven was “neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God which is the goal of human life.” Hell, by contrast, was “the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy”.

In October the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a “halfway house” between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unbaptised infants and holy men and women who lived before Christ, was “only a theological hypothesis” and not a “definitive truth of the faith”.

Timely visions

— “Outer darkness . . . there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” St Matthew


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1 posted on 03/27/2007 10:53:31 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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Wow, I really like this Pope! You go dude!


2 posted on 03/27/2007 10:54:28 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Mount Athos

Hell and Satan exist.


3 posted on 03/27/2007 10:55:21 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: Mount Athos

This news won't go over well in the bathhouses.


4 posted on 03/27/2007 10:56:12 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Mount Athos

Jesus talked about hell a lot...


5 posted on 03/27/2007 10:57:56 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: ElkGroveDan

God had given men and women free will to choose whether “spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind”.

How does the pope reconcile this teaching with infant baptism?


6 posted on 03/27/2007 11:00:10 AM PDT by chadwimc
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To: Mount Athos

Many churches talk about Satan and hell. Everyone I ever went to does and did. MSNBC had a blip about this amazing thing that the POPE I tell you the POPE says there really is a HELL. IMAGINE THAT. They were shocked.


7 posted on 03/27/2007 11:00:25 AM PDT by therut
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To: Mount Athos

Well... this ought to make a few liberal Catholic priests start squirming in their vestments.


8 posted on 03/27/2007 11:01:36 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: Mount Athos
"Who of you died, let him appear at the Corps Headquarters within three days so that his corpse may be besprinkled with holy water..." [Chaplain Otto Katz, per Yaroslav Hasek]
9 posted on 03/27/2007 11:01:49 AM PDT by GSlob
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Worse than global warming?


10 posted on 03/27/2007 11:03:00 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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Even though I am not Catholic, I like this Pope. He is a good Christian and is seems to be Europe's secular conscience.

But I have a very serious question: does Jesus ever use grim reaper samurai to collect good ghost and eliminate the bad? A friend who I asked looked at me as if I were out of my mind and told me I was watching to much TV. I still think it is possible.
11 posted on 03/27/2007 11:03:11 AM PDT by tranzorZ
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To: Mount Athos
Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanize the faithful, the Pope has said.

In 1999 Pope John Paul II declared that Heaven was “neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God which is the goal of human life.” Hell, by contrast, was “the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy”.


Is the current Pope saying that the last Pope was mistaken in thinking that hell was not a "place"?
12 posted on 03/27/2007 11:05:38 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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13 posted on 03/27/2007 11:08:36 AM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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I wonder if the Pope believes that Islamic terrorists are going to burn in hell. How about Saddam Hussein and his henchmen, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Kim, Chavez, Castro, and the Democrats?


14 posted on 03/27/2007 11:08:45 AM PDT by pleikumud
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Well duh!!

Jesus said it first. The debate is over!!

15 posted on 03/27/2007 11:10:20 AM PDT by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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In October the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a “halfway house” between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unbaptised infants and holy men and women who lived before Christ, was “only a theological hypothesis” and not a “definitive truth of the faith”.

Is this the same thing as "Purgatory"?

16 posted on 03/27/2007 11:10:23 AM PDT by shekkian
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Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire

as anyone who has drank the water in cozumel can attest

17 posted on 03/27/2007 11:11:18 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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"Well... this ought to make a few liberal Catholic priests start squirming in their vestments."

Yeah, like all of the priests who raped little boys for decades while the church covered it up. I'm thinking there's a special place in hell for them.

18 posted on 03/27/2007 11:15:21 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: chadwimc

""God had given men and women free will to choose whether “spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind”.

How does the pope reconcile this teaching with infant baptism?""

Good question.


19 posted on 03/27/2007 11:16:09 AM PDT by RoadTest (Get our Marines out of Pendleton's Kangaroo court!)
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To: Jack Wilson

Worse than Algore droning on about global warming for all Eternity?

OK, I think I get the point!


20 posted on 03/27/2007 11:16:20 AM PDT by bigbob (2)
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