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A Tale of Two Scientific Consensuses - Look who's letting ideology overrule science.
Reason ^ | April 6, 2007 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 04/06/2007 1:59:40 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem
Global warming is the new Lysenkoism.
Theodore Dalrymple from a recent interview
(quoted by Former Dodger)
"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

21 posted on 04/06/2007 7:52:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the quote.


22 posted on 04/06/2007 8:05:54 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Peach

Peachie pie, you’ve posted all over other threads. Why not post again on this one?

Oh I know, it’s because you came down on Kerry for supporting global warming, when in fact your candidate, Rudy, has the same view.

Rudy has a chance... if he runs as a Dem!


23 posted on 04/06/2007 9:58:25 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: Peach; Spiff; flashbunny; narses; veronica; areafiftyone

“I heard on the car today (Rush’s show) that next week Newt is going to debate John Kerry on the issue of global warming.”

Just wait for Newt to debate Rudy. Newt will have good practice for that by debating Kerry, since so many of Kerry and Rudy’s positions are so similar.


24 posted on 04/06/2007 10:01:29 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: neverdem

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” - well put. Remember the FEAR that the kuwaiti oil fires saddam left in his wake in 1991 would create a climate catastrophe? Didn’t happen, water films forming on the oil droplets high in the atmosphere quickly dropped them out.

Ah yes, the FEARFUL and UNBELIEVING, always trying to fetter human progress. Soon enough and they won’t be around anymore with their little FEARFUL minds...


25 posted on 04/06/2007 10:16:52 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: neverdem
Two scientific consensuses? Isn't that like trying to find a shadow on the sun?


26 posted on 04/06/2007 10:27:41 PM PDT by rdb3 (SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: skinkinthegrass

Interesting quote. Where did it come from?


27 posted on 04/07/2007 4:30:03 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Former Dodger

That is truly profound. Thanks to you and Former Dodger!


28 posted on 04/07/2007 4:38:35 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: neverdem

It boggles my mind that fools like Algore, Nancy Pelosi, and such are ready to declare that there’s a consensus about something as complex as human-driven global warming — when there are no models sophisticated enough to show this to be the case... And then, on the other hand, you have very simple models showing how Social Security and Medicare are Ponzi-Schemes whose time is coming to an end — and these same idiots refuse to recognize it or feel that anything needs to be done about it.

One is absolute fact and just a matter of time — the other is conjecture based on fear and fuzzy science. Leave it to Algore to see which one he can bamboozle the public with.


29 posted on 04/07/2007 5:06:52 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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To: skinkinthegrass

In the late 1940’s Russian scientists had found themselves subjected to the political witch hunting by Stalin’s regime. Before that such witch hunting was limited to poets, artists, writers, filmmakers, and musicians, who often saw their works assailed by communist officials on the grounds of “ideological impurity” or “bourgeois influence”.

That time science and scientists became the victim. In a really Orwellian style genetics, psychologists and cybernetics were fired, exiled and even killed. But the most alarming and often overlooked fact is that Lysenkoism was not an aberration or “excess” but a natural product of Stalinism. Moreover an important observation that the author is trying to communicate by writing this paper is that while the original form was a byproduct of Stalinism, the phenomenon itself is more universal and can be considered as a special, previously unknown flavor of high demand cult. For simplicity we will call if technocult.

This paper tried to show that Lysenkoism was the first successful attempt to transplant high demand religious cults methods into scientific community and should be understood as such. The main point of this paper is that Lysenkoism is not only about intellectual pogrom, destruction of real science by pseudoscience committed in the name of a particular political agenda and more or less openly supported by the ruling party/government officials.

It is also (and probably more important) a self-sustainable cult-like system of distortions, omissions, and lies that are designed to support faulty or fraudulent research of the selected “politically correct” pseudo-scientists. In this sense it’s closely related to “cargo cult” phenomenon that is better known in the Western hemisphere as well as science distortions that are associated with the military-industrial complex....


30 posted on 04/07/2007 5:16:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steve0113; skinkinthegrass
“If you’re using Internet Explorer, click on the View menu, then on Text Size, then on Largest. Be sure to switch it back when you’re done.”

That only works sometimes. When it doesn’t work, (and if you’re using WinXP) click on START, ALL PROGRAMS, Accessories, Accessibility, Magnifier.

The top inch or so of the screen will become a magnified window that follows your mouse pointer around.

31 posted on 04/07/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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