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Democrats Predict They Can Win Iraq Vote
iWon News ^ | April 25, 2007 | ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 04/25/2007 1:39:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

House Democratic leaders predict they will have enough votes to pass legislation requiring U.S. troops to begin leaving Iraq by Oct. 1 and send it on to President Bush for his promised veto.

Several House members said they would go along with the bill negotiated with the Senate in a bid for party unity despite their desire for an earlier, binding withdrawal date.

The House vote scheduled Wednesday would come as the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, and other defense officials try to convince lawmakers that a timetable would push Iraq into chaos. Bush's promise guarantees a showdown with Democrats emboldened by last year's election, which handed them control of Congress.

"For the first time, the president will have to be accountable for this war in Iraq," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Tuesday. "And he does not want to face that reality."

The $124.2 billion bill would fund, among other things, the war in Iraq but trigger the withdrawal of troops beginning this fall. It sets a nonbinding goal of completing the pullout by April 1, 2008.

Troops could remain in Iraq after the 2008 date but only for limited non-combat missions, including counterterrorism operations and training Iraqi forces.

The bill, already negotiated with Senate leaders, is expected to reach the president's desk as early as next week following a final Senate vote Thursday.

Democrats view the November elections that allowed them to take control of the House and the Senate as a referendum on Bush's conduct of the war. Bush, however, says he stands firm on his latest strategy for winning the war and dismisses as counterproductive the Democratic call for withdrawal.

"That means our commanders in the middle of a combat zone would have to take fighting directions from legislators 6,000 miles away on Capitol Hill," Bush told reporters Tuesday. "The result would be a marked advantage for our enemies and a greater danger for our troops."

Whether Democratic leaders had enough votes to pass the bill in the House has been in question. The original House bill included a binding timeline, demanding combat ends by September 2008. Several of the 218 members who approved the bill said they reluctantly agreed to back the binding timeline even though they wanted troops home sooner.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the Democratic caucus, said, "We feel very good about where the caucus is."

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Democrats will send Bush the bill with the hope that the president has a change of heart. But, Hoyer added, they don't expect it.

"We are very, very hopeful that the president will sign that bill, will change his mind and come to the recognition that this bill does in fact set off a new policy for our engagement in Iraq," Hoyer said.

Democrats, with their slim margins in the House and Senate, are unlikely to override Bush's veto.

The White House and Democrats traded insults Tuesday. Vice President Dick Cheney accused Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of pursuing a defeatist strategy in Iraq to win votes at home.

"Some Democratic leaders seem to believe that blind opposition to the new strategy in Iraq is good politics," Cheney told reporters at the Capitol after attending the weekly Republican policy lunch. "Senator Reid himself has said that the war in Iraq will bring his party more seats in the next election."

"It is cynical to declare that the war is lost because you believe it gives you political advantage," Cheney said.

Reid, D-Nev., dismissed Cheney's comments. "I'm not going to get into a name-calling match with the administration's chief attack dog," he told reporters.


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Typical defeatocrat behavior, but I doubt they have the votes to override President Bush's veto.
1 posted on 04/25/2007 1:39:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Win the vote, lose the War! What a legacy


2 posted on 04/25/2007 1:43:03 AM PDT by leadhead (Vote Fred Thompson, we've had enough bad actors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"For the first time, the president will have to be accountable for this war in Iraq," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Tuesday. "And he does not want to face that reality."

He should be held accountable for being a spineless wimp instead of ordering Pelosi's arrest upon her return from the Middle East.

43 is 41 with a Texas accent.

3 posted on 04/25/2007 1:47:35 AM PDT by peyton randolph (What we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal - Albert Pike)
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Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the Democratic caucus, said, "We feel very good about where the caucus is."

In a septic tank?

4 posted on 04/25/2007 2:25:55 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Hillary, Rudy, Obama: The presidency is not a coronation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Their whole goal is to approve funding as they want it (cut-and-run), force Bush to veto it, and then tout the fact that "we approved troop funding, but the President didn't", and force the funding issue while the troops are put at risk.

MSM will then focus on shortages of supplies, ammon, etc., and blame Bush....

It will backfire, and if Bush and the Republicans cave in on this issue, the Republicans will be wiped out of Congress and the White House in 2008.....for YEARS to come.

5 posted on 04/25/2007 3:11:05 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1

ammon = ammo


6 posted on 04/25/2007 3:11:50 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe there are enough spineless, whore Republicans who will sell out the country’s interest for some pork. And btw, let’s not call it pork since that might offend the rag-heads.


7 posted on 04/25/2007 3:16:26 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Celebration of Surrender.

Democrats are worse than Neville Chamberlain: the terrorists of already attacked us on 9/11! And the TERRORISTS are working to push us out of Iraq!!

At least Hitler had not yet attacked England when dumb ol' Neville kissed his butt.

8 posted on 04/25/2007 3:55:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It is cynical to declare that the war is lost because you believe it gives you political advantage," Cheney said.

Cheney should ask Reid if Ameria's lost the war, who won?

9 posted on 04/25/2007 4:03:05 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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MSM will then focus on shortages of supplies, ammon, etc., and blame Bush....

If I were in Bush's shoes, I would pursue this as he has been. The congress either needs to fund the war or not fund it. If congress forces us into a position where we have to bugout, I would do it immediately and swiftly. I wouldn't leave underfunded troops in theater waiting for a date on the calendar that the troops and the enemy both know is coming.

10 posted on 04/25/2007 4:07:30 AM PDT by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, will lie to anyone.)
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Reid, D-Nev., dismissed Cheney's comments. "I'm not going to get into a name-calling match with the administration's chief attack dog," he told reporters.

He calls Cheney the "chief attack dog" in a statement saying he isn't going to get in a name calling match. Real substantive debate there Harry. Or should we call you Harriott?

11 posted on 04/25/2007 4:10:09 AM PDT by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, will lie to anyone.)
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"I wouldn't leave underfunded troops in theater waiting for a date on the calendar that the troops and the enemy both know is coming."

It appears to be a game of "chicken" to the Democrats/Moonbats, and the lives at stake are of no concern to them, except in the political impact of a disaster they would create.

If necessary, with no funding approval, Bush should invoke whatever means he can to fund the troops WITHOUT Congressional approval, although I don't know if an Executive Order (even in "Wartime") is legal.

The loony left thinks that stalling by forwarding funding with strings attached will cause a forced withdrawal when funds run out, which accomplishes their "cut and run" in effect....I don't think Americans would stand for such an act, in the end.

12 posted on 04/25/2007 4:22:48 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Excellent question.


13 posted on 04/25/2007 4:24:59 AM PDT by livius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sticking in the minimum wage was the last bribe they needed. How clever those Defeatocrats.
14 posted on 04/25/2007 4:28:17 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Millions of Iraqis are about to be slaughtered if the RATS have anything to say about it.


15 posted on 04/25/2007 4:32:34 AM PDT by Waco
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To: traditional1
The loony left thinks that stalling by forwarding funding with strings attached will cause a forced withdrawal when funds run out, which accomplishes their "cut and run" in effect....I don't think Americans would stand for such an act, in the end.

I think this is clearly what they are doing. I certainly hope we don't go down the path of making our military slowly starve out in Iraq waiting for March 2008 to bugout. If the dems force us into doing the dishonorable, there is no use putting it off. Like everything about this to the Dems, March 2008 is a politically motivated date. National security has never crossed their minds.

16 posted on 04/25/2007 4:50:41 AM PDT by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, will lie to anyone.)
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"Reid, D-Nev., dismissed Cheney's comments. "I'm not going to get into a name-calling match with the administration's chief attack dog," he told reporters"

What an a-hole. Someone should mention to dingy harry that this sentence is self-contradictory.

And then explain "self-contradictory".

17 posted on 04/25/2007 4:51:36 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: peyton randolph

Well there is exactly one person in this Country standing between a pullout and staying. That person has more backbone than you ever will. Maybe you can guess who that is??

Pray for W and Our Troops


18 posted on 04/25/2007 4:59:00 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both Enemies of America)
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Where is Pres. Bush going to find the $$$ to go along with his backbone?


19 posted on 04/25/2007 5:02:01 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Congress will back down once granny is in danger of not getting her SSI check. They don’t want that.

Pray for W and Our Troops


20 posted on 04/25/2007 5:07:41 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both Enemies of America)
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