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Global warming debate 'irrational': scientists [GW caused by sun]
Standard Freeholder (Cornwall, Canada) ^ | April 26, 2007 | Stephanie Stein

Posted on 04/26/2007 10:29:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
We're going to waste billions (trillions worldwide).

Oh, c'mon now...it's not wasted if a significant portion of those billions ends up lining the pockets of Al Gore and his friends at Lehman Brothers Holdings.

Printing up all those carbon offset certificates ain't cheap, you know. 8^)

61 posted on 04/26/2007 12:12:58 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Free Vulcan
In fact commercial greenhouses deliberately pump in CO2 to raise it to double the normal atmospheric rate so they can get the plant growth they want, meaning any real jump in atmospheric CO2 will ultimately be countered by more plant growth.

But if plants grow more they will put more oxygen in the atmosphere and, as anyone who has been in a hospital knows, oxygen creates an explosive atmosphere. So the planet really could catch fire and burn up like Algore says. We need to get rid of all these dangerous gasses. /s

62 posted on 04/26/2007 12:14:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option.)
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To: Designer II
You all can check this out in a typical greenhouse supply catalog. They sell CO2 kits to supply extra for the plants.

I hope they recover what they don't use. I shudder to think that they contribute to global warming just to provide us with some winter tomatoes, or even flowers.

63 posted on 04/26/2007 12:21:18 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: riverdawg

[Except, of course, the irrevocably lost value of what we could have produced or accomplished with the money we threw down the “global warming” rat hole.]

That, my friend, is considered lost opportunity costs. It is the product of spending beyond the point of dimishing returns. I would go one step further, along the diminishing returns side, and add; Humans have taken several actions that, later were found to make a problem worse (MTBE in CA, DDT banned around the world, etc.)


64 posted on 04/26/2007 12:22:13 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: Tenacious 1
That, my friend, is considered lost opportunity costs.

The lost opportunity to control inflation and tax's cost Louis XVI his head.

65 posted on 04/26/2007 12:26:45 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bttt...


66 posted on 04/26/2007 12:27:00 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: redgolum
The Global Warming Inquisition will find him.

NO ONE EXPECTS the GW Inquisition!!! 'Spose that he'll get the comfy chair?

67 posted on 04/26/2007 12:29:26 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Al Gator
“We solved the ozone and acid rain problem. With effort, and a new way of doing things we could solve this one too,” said Phillips.”

One of the most classic cases of begging the question ever spoken. Should be part of every class on elementary logic.

68 posted on 04/26/2007 12:30:36 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Chaguito

They destroyed the anthracite coal industry with that stupid acid rain nonsense.


69 posted on 04/26/2007 12:32:29 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: All
Honestly, the only thing that *really* scares me about global warming is that some fool billionaire might try to do something about it...like wrap the Earth in Tinfoil, or block out the sun, or something ridiculous like that.

Unfortunately, the public has been whipped up into such a frenzy about this that someone JUST doing something ...regardless of how utterly foolish... might not only be accepted, but also encouraged.

Stuff like Carbon Credits and driving around in Hybrid cars are harmless and allow people to get a wonderfully smug feeling that they are personally saving the Earth. But, in the long run, they don't really amount to a hill of beans. Some truly drastic action might cause permanent harm.

70 posted on 04/26/2007 12:41:09 PM PDT by wbill
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
"I hope they recover what they don't use."

Riiight. Of COURSE, they do!

They go in there at night and suck it up with a vacuum cleaner, and blow it out again the next morning.

71 posted on 04/26/2007 12:46:06 PM PDT by Designer II
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To: Designer II
"..and blow it out again the next morning."

I thought everybody does that.

72 posted on 04/26/2007 12:47:55 PM PDT by Designer II
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To: lilylangtree

The Earth is getting warmer because it is supposed to.


73 posted on 04/26/2007 12:54:40 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Designer II
and blow it out again the next morning.

Do you get a headache holding your CO2 in overnight?

74 posted on 04/26/2007 1:10:33 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the gas of concern in most plans to curb climate change, appear to have little effect on global climate, he said.

THANK YOU! I`ve been saying, screaming this to liberals for the past few years but they just don`t get it...

Composition of dry atmosphere of earth, by volume.

ppmv: parts per million by volume

Nitrogen (N2) 780,840 ppmv (78.084%)
Oxygen (O2) 209,460 ppmv (20.946%)
Argon (Ar) 9,340 ppmv (0.9340%)
Carbon dioxide (CO2) 383 ppmv (0.0383%)
Neon (Ne) 18.18 ppmv
Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv
Methane (CH4) 1.745 ppmv
Krypton (Kr) 1.14 ppmv
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv

The atmosphere is composed of 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxegen and 0.04% CO2 which you can literally read as ZERO POINT ZERO! Of that amount that is ZERO POINT ZERO, it doesn`t take a fool to imagine how incredibly low human emissions are.

Liberals are literally using as evidence the deviation of that 0.04%..One day it is 0.0383%, then a few years later it`s 0.04%, and this they claim is evidence! 17 more molecules of CO2 in a million molecules of air, and for this they are holding these "Live Earth" concerts in July, for a "Climate in crisis"!!

http://www.liveearth.msn.com/

17 additional freggin` molecules that could have come from anywhere, from shaking the reader, even from the hippie burping while doing it, and THIS is their evidence!

Global warming by humans is just as impossible as humans reducing CO2 in the atmosphere (which by the way if reduced to 0.02% basically stops photosynthesis in plants - If liberals love trees so much you would think they would be wanting MORE CO2!)

75 posted on 04/26/2007 1:29:56 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: Maelstorm
I remember reading several articles where studies showed plants would prosper and grow larger and have greater yields with higher level of CO2.

Nah, don't you remember those articles last summer that made it clear that the only plant that would benefit from higher levels of CO2 was poison oak?

That really boggled my mind, that they could come so close to admitting that carbon dioxide was plant food, and still manage to give it a negative spin.
76 posted on 04/26/2007 1:35:32 PM PDT by Mariebl
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To: TigersEye

At 0.02%...When the air has less that 0.02% CO2, photosynthesis basically ends.

Right now the atmosphere has approx. 0.0383% to 0.04% CO2..You would think all these lib tree huggers would be going in the OPPOSITE direction saying “More CO2”, but noooooo, it seems the current lib fad or idiots like Al Gore and Sheryl Crow is to reduce CO2 which is pracically impossible.

If you removed every CO2 expelling animal on this planet, every car, every industrial plant, you couldn`t even measure the difference unless you counted in parts per million, and even then, the difference would be literally a few molecules here and there.

The reason is there are just too many PLANTS on earth which out number CO2 expelling life forms BILLIONS to one. Look at this photo of South America from space, all you see is GREEN and it ain`t green from cars, people, volcanoes or animals, and this is just one continent!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/South_America_satellite_orthographic.jpg


77 posted on 04/26/2007 1:42:52 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Patterson explained CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential plant food.

Tell that to all the MENSA rejects in the California legislature.

They have made that asinine assertion officially law, in California.

78 posted on 04/26/2007 1:50:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: TigersEye

CO2 Bookmark, thanks for a good one.


79 posted on 04/26/2007 2:01:47 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: since 1854
The mistake in your analysis to assume that there is a one-to-one correlation between the Sun’s output and the Earth’s temperature.

So where else does the energy come from to explain the warming, if not from the sun ?


BUMP

80 posted on 04/26/2007 2:07:04 PM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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