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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The issue is NOT global warming but whether it is man-made.

The isue is the unexplained last 60 years 'hockey stick' on the CO2 graph. Has the sun's output increased that much in the past 60 years ? If so then global warming is NOT man made.


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9 posted on 04/26/2007 10:49:13 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: capitalist229
The isue is the unexplained last 60 years 'hockey stick' on the CO2 graph.

You might have missed it, but the "Hockey Stick" has been broken and is now in the Junk Science trash bin. Even the UN clepto-crats don't cite it anymore.

15 posted on 04/26/2007 10:59:01 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: capitalist229
The issue is the unexplained last 60 years 'hockey stick' on the CO2 graph."

Go have another look at the full temperature vs time graphs. We are not in uncharted territory.

The Earth has been both hotter and colder than it is now.

An additional clue is the fact that CO2 increases or decreases always lag rather than lead temperature fluctuations.

22 posted on 04/26/2007 11:07:50 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: capitalist229
The isue is the unexplained last 60 years 'hockey stick' on the CO2 graph.

That data lags the temperature increase, and calling it a hockey stick reminds me of the data fraud with overstating the temperature increase a year or two ago. Also have you noticed many of the CO2 graphs seem to be from monitors placed in areas of volcanic activity?

33 posted on 04/26/2007 11:23:33 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: capitalist229

I’m not even sure the “issue” is what’s causing it. The big issue, as I see it, is what to do about it. It’s true that significant warming over a relatively short period of time will be disruptive to a lot of things: crops, populations centers in coastal area, some animal and plant species, insects and other pests moving into new areas, etc. But these effects aren’t depend on the cause of the warming. We’ve recently seen some proposals for proactive solutions, such putting large solar reflectors into orbit. I can get behind ideas like that, as it would be solving the problem without worrying about exactly what the cause is. It would also be helping us to develop technology that would be critically important in the event of future, sudden climate changes from sources we can’t control. The “debate” seems to be between leftist forces eager to promote anything that involves destroying industrialized economies and high standards of living, and more rational heads saying we should use our brains and technological prowess to build a fix. The former basically views humans and anything they do as negative, and wants to simply slash the level of human activity. The latter views humans as pretty nifty and resourceful, and want to that used to find a fix that will not involve slashing the level of human activity.


42 posted on 04/26/2007 11:35:13 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: capitalist229

The mistake in your analysis to assume that there is a one-to-one correlation between the Sun’s output and the Earth’s temperature.

No Nobel Prize for you!


54 posted on 04/26/2007 11:49:04 AM PDT by since 1854 (http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com)
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To: capitalist229

Not necessarily true.

Aerosols and other factors probably masked and delayed the “natural rise” in temperatures that would have occurred as a result of the Sun’s increased radiance.

The Solar graphs are extremely convincing as is new plasma physics research describing solar cycling.


93 posted on 04/26/2007 4:52:31 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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