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Proud of Two Abortions
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 6, 2007 | Dan Neil

Posted on 05/08/2007 11:20:22 AM PDT by Scotswife

The abortion debate brought home He and his wife have always been pro-choice; recently, they were forced to make the Choice. By Dan Neil May 6, 2007

MY WIFE AND I just had an abortion. Two, actually. We walked into a doctor's office in downtown Los Angeles with four thriving fetuses — two girls and two boys — and walked out an hour later with just the girls, whom we will name, if we're lucky enough to keep them, Rosalind and Vivian. Rosalind is my mother's name.

We didn't want to. We didn't mean to. We didn't do anything wrong, which is to say, we did everything right. Four years ago, when Tina and I set out on this journey to have children, such a circumstance was unimaginable. And yet there I was, holding her hand, watching the ultrasound as a needle with potassium chloride found its mark, stopping the heart of one male fetus, then the other, hidden in my wife's suffering belly....

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 40yearsofliberalism; abortion; choice; cultureofdeath; gendercide; infanticide; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; moralrelevance; pba; prolife; righttolife; sick
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Good for your friend.

I also have friends who don’t know what to do about their frozen embryos.

They cannot physically carry another pregnancy.


181 posted on 05/08/2007 1:41:37 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“They essentially implanted more than they wanted to save money, knowing they could kill some if too many “took”.”

That reminds me. I need to put down some grass seed, and its best to overseed a liitle bit in the realization that some of it will die. Don’t they do that in gardens too? Plant a bunch of carrots, see which ones do the best, and weed out some of the others to let the better ones grow?


182 posted on 05/08/2007 1:42:00 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Ol' Sox

thank you for that beautiful post.

many people today have adopted a utilitarian approach to how they make life decisions.

Your example reminds us as to how the norm used to be....self sacrificing love, family devotion, perseverence, hope, and human dignity.

unfortunately some would read your story and wonder why she didn’t do the “smart” thing and abort those children.


183 posted on 05/08/2007 1:44:34 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“They essentially implanted more than they wanted to save money, knowing they could kill some if too many “took”.”

moral decisions based on finances.
utilitarianism.
The end justifies the means.


184 posted on 05/08/2007 1:45:54 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Guenevere

What a joy! A precious granddaughter.


185 posted on 05/08/2007 1:46:27 PM PDT by tioga
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To: NYer

This guy is definitely looking for validation.

First off, the clinic that did the procedure should be shuttered on ethical grounds.

When we did our in-vitro procedure, the OB-GYN looked us in the eye and said the following.

“I’m implanting two children. Are you ready for twins? If not let me know right now.”


186 posted on 05/08/2007 1:46:30 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: John Semmens

When Shitzer was AG he tried to shut down Crisis Preganancy Centers. I guess they’re lethal to abortion mills.


187 posted on 05/08/2007 1:48:27 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Ol' Sox

((teary)) What a story. God Bless Them.


188 posted on 05/08/2007 1:48:32 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

hee hee!
If only you could see them NOW!


189 posted on 05/08/2007 1:49:48 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

A test drive is what his mother did, and evidently, she failed.


190 posted on 05/08/2007 1:50:21 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: RinaseaofDs

““I’m implanting two children. Are you ready for twins? If not let me know right now.””

a smart doctor!


191 posted on 05/08/2007 1:51:38 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: GovernmentShrinker

-they sat down with the docs and agreed to the plan to implant too many, with the premeditated plan to kill some off if they had too many take root. Sounds more like cold blooded murder to me. I have no sympathy for them. What was the motive to save some money?


192 posted on 05/08/2007 1:52:55 PM PDT by tioga
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To: DLfromthedesert

“A test drive is what his mother did, and evidently, she failed.”

LOL!
She thought she gave birth to a “steamroller” and got an ineffective pussycat instead.


193 posted on 05/08/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: GovernmentShrinker

If you were boating with three of your children would you have pre-determined which one to save in case of an accident?

Or would you decide at the moment based on either the easiest, safest or least costly to save?

Or is there another criteria?


194 posted on 05/08/2007 1:54:46 PM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: Ol' Sox

Moving story and I’m so glad you shared it.

It’s not like I would have read of something this amazing in the MSM.

Aside from the issues being discussed in this thread, it’s good to see the Church rethinking/restructuring their position on children who die before baptism. Interesting to see the couple you discuss immediately take into account the consequences of the older doctrine.

May G-d watch over them the rest of their lives and let them be a shining example to all.


195 posted on 05/08/2007 1:54:53 PM PDT by deputac (NYPD & FDNY: The Other Twin Towers of New York)
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To: MovementConservative

That’s a singleton, not quadruplets. It makes a huge difference.


196 posted on 05/08/2007 1:55:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Scotswife
Let someone adopt them.

Snowflake Embryo Adoption Program.

President Bush has been highlighting this recently.

197 posted on 05/08/2007 1:57:17 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Scotswife
We don't feel guilty. We don't feel ashamed. We're not even really sad, because terminating these fetuses — at 15 weeks' gestation — was a medical imperative.

Wow. And wow. That pretty much says it all about the consciences of two utterly selfish people. Why didn't they chose adoption? And why use a situation having hardly anything to do with partial-birth abortion to make an argument for it? Why do people like this say they want children, when it's so obvious they don't place value on the lives of children. Having kids for them is purely selfish.

198 posted on 05/08/2007 1:59:39 PM PDT by floozy22
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To: Scotswife
I also have friends who don’t know what to do about their frozen embryos.

I don't think they should allow the freezing of the embryos, and then that issue would not arise. The number of eggs harvested at one time should perhaps be limited.

My friends do not want their potential offspring out there in the world being raised by someone else - so they both oppose adoption of the embryos. I know that sounds selfish, but I think that's how many people feel. Then it is a matter of whether to allow the embryo to be discarded/destroyed or donated for research in lieu of being destroyed for nothing (the lesser of two evils?).

I think they are leaning towards the latter after fighting about the adoption option. It is not a decision I would want to make. But then I would have adopted rather than use IVF in the first place (but easy for me to say).

What do you think your friends will do?

199 posted on 05/08/2007 1:59:41 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Guenevere

that’s when people realize they didn’t quite think through it all very thoroughly.

They get to that point and think “we don’t want another couple having our children”


200 posted on 05/08/2007 2:00:10 PM PDT by Scotswife
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