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U.S., Iran to hold rare talks; subject is Iraq
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 14 2007 | Ramin Mostaghim and Louise Roug,

Posted on 05/13/2007 11:11:06 PM PDT by freedomdefender

The U.S. and Iran will hold rare meetings within the next few weeks in Baghdad to discuss the insurgency in Iraq, officials from the two nations said Sunday.

The talks, to be conducted between the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad and Iranian officials, would be the highest-level negotiations acknowledged between the two countries in recent years. The announcement suggested a new willingness on the part of the Bush administration to reach out to a longtime foe.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; securityplan; surge; talks
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1 posted on 05/13/2007 11:11:08 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

There is a softer line towards Iran at the moment - at least, on the surface.


2 posted on 05/13/2007 11:23:56 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: freedomdefender; BlackVeil

This gives a very dangerous message to the world.


3 posted on 05/14/2007 12:59:22 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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Perhaps on the surface it might. But who knows what we are telling them privately?


4 posted on 05/14/2007 1:33:48 AM PDT by joseph20
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To: joseph20
Attempt to put out one fire and in the process light another dozen.

Sorry it does not make sense to me.

5 posted on 05/14/2007 1:42:20 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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Or, perhaps we are lighting one fire and putting out a dozen others? We don’t know what’s being communicated to the Iranians. We could be delivering an ultimatem.


6 posted on 05/14/2007 1:48:33 AM PDT by joseph20
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To: freedomdefender
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

The U.S. has nothing to gain from giving countenance to thugs like the Iranians, who just kidnapped British seamen who were on an Iraqi government- and U.N.-sanctioned mission in Iraqi waters.

We still owe those guys for Lockerbie and for the U.S. Embassy seizure in Tehran, not to mention all the ops they've had Hezbollah carrying out, from terrorism in South America to counterfeiting U.S. currency and rocketing Israel in the Bekaa Valley.

We had to change our currency three times because of Hezbollah's counterfeiting, undertaken with Iranian treasury support. Something like 20% of the U.S. currency circulating in eastern Europe was counterfeit.

7 posted on 05/14/2007 2:14:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: BlackVeil

I think it’s probably mutual. Tehran would be smart to help us squelch the violence, which would allow us a graceful exit, then the mullahs could work the political angle to grab control of the country.


8 posted on 05/14/2007 3:53:20 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: moose2004

Very likely. Many people in the Iranian ruling class like to think about the Safavid Empire - the good old days, when their borders were much more extensive than now.


9 posted on 05/14/2007 4:11:34 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: freedomdefender
The U.S. and Iran will hold rare meetings within the next few weeks in Baghdad to discuss the insurgency in Iraq, officials from the two nations said Sunday.

At this rate, Dr. Rice will be calling Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright to ask for a few more tips on conducting disastrous foreign policy.

10 posted on 05/14/2007 4:27:32 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: joseph20

Exactly!

LLS


11 posted on 05/14/2007 4:36:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: freedomdefender
The announcement suggested a new willingness on the part of the Bush administration to reach out to a longtime foe.

I don't interpret it that way. We've been telling Iran for a long time that they need to do something about the insurgents. I see this as just one more way that the US is sending the message.

12 posted on 05/14/2007 11:56:30 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem?)
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To: beachn4fun
I see this as just one more way that the US is sending the message.

Yes it is one more way. It's also a "way" that we previously have implied we wouldn't be engaging in - i.e., direct talks between the US and Iran. Yes, yes, yes I know that this opposition to direct talks related to the nuclear issue, but still I don't remember any distinctions being clearly drawn in the past when US officials have said that we don't conduct bilateral talks with a rogue state such as Iran. Now, however, we ARE conducting such talks. And as a practical matter, this has to bleed over into the area where we've officially abstained from talking to them - nuclear energy. If we are negotiating to get their help on one issue, it's pretty hard to be preparing to bomb them simultaneously, due to another issue.

13 posted on 05/14/2007 1:50:11 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: lentulusgracchus
The U.S. has nothing to gain from giving countenance to thugs like the Iranians

Because of the chaos/crisis in Iraq, we DO have something to gain - some assistance in bringing order to Iraq. It's sad that Iran has gained leverage this way, but it has.

14 posted on 05/14/2007 1:51:59 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: moose2004
Tehran would be smart to help us squelch the violence

Since tens of thousands of Iraqi refugees are streaming into Iran, they most definitely should have some interest in getting some order in Iraq. Regugees in those numbers are very destabilizing. On a proportional basis, it's a number far greater than the illegal-alien invasion of the US.

15 posted on 05/14/2007 1:53:57 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

I thought we did not negotiate with Terrorist States?


16 posted on 05/14/2007 1:54:06 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: expatguy
Sorry it does not make sense to me.

Unfortunately, our options for bringing order out of chaos in Iraq are fairly limited. The mess in Iraq has empowered Iran.

17 posted on 05/14/2007 1:55:03 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: Sprite518
I thought we did not negotiate with Terrorist States?

Reagan negotiated with the USSR - and they sponsored a lot of terrorism, including - some speculate - the shooting of John Paul II.

18 posted on 05/14/2007 1:56:01 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender
Yeah so and your point? Bush said after September 11th we would no longer do this. I guess he changed his mind?
19 posted on 05/14/2007 2:05:47 PM PDT by Sprite518
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Bush said after September 11th we would no longer do this.

I don't remember exactly what he said, but I don't think it was anything so specific as we would never again talk to any specific named countries. Again, Reagan talked to the Sovs after they shot down an airliner with scores of Americans (including a congressman) on board, and after they allegedly had been aiding various terrorist gangs worldwide, and allegedly had a role in the attempted murder of a pope. So talking with Iran is certainly not outside of US practice and precedent.

20 posted on 05/14/2007 2:09:04 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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