Deroy Murdock still pimping for Rudy Giuliani Ping, if you're interested.
Posted on 05/15/2007 11:22:35 AM PDT by TitansAFC
As conservatives watch the second GOP presidential debate tonight, they surely will hear plenty about abortion. Rudolph W. Giuliani should detail what really happened to abortions while he was mayor of New York. The data present an encouraging picture of what he actually did as mayor and might do as president to promote abortion: Nothing.
The pro-choice Guttmacher Institute reports that abortions across America fell from 1,495,000 in 1993 to 1,303,000 in 2001, a 12.8-percent decrease. (Guttmacher’s surveys of all known U.S. abortion providers are more reliable than the Centers for Disease Control’s nationwide figures; California and New Hampshire stopped reporting abortions to the CDC, and Alaska did not do so until 2003.)
Between 1993 and 2001, abortions in Gotham fell 16.9 percent, from 103,997 to 86,466, according to the New York State Vital Statistics Bureau (NYS VSB). True, abortions dropped more quickly in upstate New York, down 26.9 percent (48,973 vs. 35.805), and across New York State as a whole: off 20.1 percent (152,970 vs. 122,271). Nonetheless, overall abortions in New York City comfortably outpaced the 12.8 percent national decline during pro-choice Giuliani’s tenure (January 1, 1994 through December 31, 2001).
See chart here.
Even more impressive is an area in which Giuliani had influence: taxpayer-funded Medicaid abortions. While the pro-choice Giuliani was at City Hall, Medicaid abortions plunged 22.9 percent (45,006 in 1993; 34,722 in 2001), NYS VSB reports. This exceeded upstate New York’s 21.7 percent decline in Medicaid abortions (11,599 vs. 9,084) and the 22.6 percent fall-off in Medicaid abortions in New York State overall (56,605 in ’93; 43,806 in ’01). Again, New York taxpayers subsidized fewer abortions in the Big Apple during Giuliani’s rule than they did in New York’s counties stretching from Westchester to the Canadian frontier.
See chart here.
Thanks to the 1976 Hyde Amendment, federal Medicaid abortions are negligible. Hyde strictly limits federal funding to terminating pregnancies that involve rape, incest, or threats to mothers’ lives.
What about the abortion ratio? The number of abortions per 1,000 live births also reflects well on Giuliani. According to Guttmacher, the national abortion ratio fell from 274 abortions per 1,000 live births in 1993 to 245 in 2001, a 10.6 percent decline. In New York City, the ratio of 890 in 1993 dropped to 767 in 2001, a 13.8 percent slide. While this was not as impressive as the 15.4 percent decrease in upstate New York (from 311 in 1993 to 263 in 2001), New York City outperformed the 12.3-percent cut in New York State’s overall abortion ratio (570 in 1993; 500 in 2001).
See chart here.
So, what did Mayor Giuliani actually do at New York’s City Hall to lower abortions?
Nothing specifically.
While Giuliani did not embark upon a pro-life campaign to lower Gotham’s abortions, none of the 12-15 or so pro-lifers in New York City, Albany, or Washington, D.C., who I have interviewed in recent months can identify anything Giuliani enacted to advance abortion, other than deliver pro-choice remarks to such groups as the National Abortion Rights Action League. Giuliani and then-wife Donna Hanover’s six checks totaling $900 to Planned Parenthood count against him, although these were private contributions, not public expenditures, as also was Mrs. Mitt Romney’s $150 gift to Planned Parenthood in 1994.
Asked if he could name any Giuliani plan to push abortion, New York State Conservative party chairman Mike Long told me, “I don’t remember, and I don’t think so.” He added: “I never remember seeing him promote the issue, to my knowledge.”
As New York Catholic archdiocese spokesman Joseph Zwilling said to me: “Off the top of my head, I cannot recall any instances when Mayor Giuliani’s and John Cardinal O’Connor’s different positions on abortion came to the fore while O’Connor was New York’s archbishop.”
Giuliani might have helped abortions decelerate more rapidly than they did nationally by inculcating personal responsibility among New Yorkers. As crime fell, streets sparkled, the economy rebounded, and 58 percent of dependents left welfare, women might have become more cautious about avoiding unwanted pregnancies, and men might have taken more care not to knock them up in the first place. Fewer surprise pregnancies likely triggered fewer abortions.
“Much of the national decline in the incidence of abortion can be attributed to more states enacting pro-life laws,” says Michael New, a University of Alabama assistant professor of political science. “However, it certainly seems plausible that Mayor Giuliani’s efforts at improving New York’s economy, reforming welfare, and cleaning up the city played a role in New York City’s above-average abortion decline.”
Giuliani also would have been feted in this pro-abortion city had he attempted anything as mayor to make abortions more common, available, or economical. His local critics would have stopped bellyaching, at least temporarily, to cheer Giuliani had he pushed abortion. Despite the rose petals that most New Yorkers would have tossed in his path, he did no such thing. (Conversely, in 2002, New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg ordered eight city-run hospitals to add abortion training to the required curriculum for OB-GYN residents. Giuliani could have done this, but did not.)
This is not enough to satisfy many of Giuliani’s pro-life detractors today. The lack of an active anti-abortion program on Giuliani’s part somehow renders meaningless these significant abortion reductions.
Politicians often get credit for “holding the line on taxes.” Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, his fans contend, didn’t cut taxes, but at least he never raised them. (Never mind his $501.5 million in new and increased fees and his $140 million in business-tax-loophole closures.) If this is enough to praise Romney, Giuliani certainly deserves kudos for “holding the line on abortions.”
Of course, Giuliani did more than just “hold the line.” New York City’s abortion ratio fell 13.8 percent during his administration, while total abortions dropped 16.9 percent overall, and taxpayer-funded Medicaid abortions plummeted 22.9 percent. These are big numbers that Giuliani and his supporters should repeat early and often.
As for what President Giuliani would do on abortion, having taken no official action to accelerate feticides while mayor of an abortion-happy metropolis, it is difficult to believe he would reach the Oval Office, then unleash pro-abortion policies while heading a pro-life party and leading a nation clearly divided on the issue.
My fellow pro-lifers should find this argument persuasive. It would be even more convincing if Rudy Giuliani made it himself, starting tonight in the Palmetto State.
Also, Deroy has now stooped to a new low. Typically, he has just attacked the other GOP candidates as unworthy fakers who would ruin America. Now he actually takes a shot at Mitt Romney's wife, Ann.
Ah....the class of the Rudophiles.
We should take up a collection for some new kneepads for Deroy. His must be wearing thin by now.
I know Rudy is more repulsive then Deroy Murdock.
But its not by much.
It’s a tossup at this point to me.
Murdock is plagiarizing Dem talking points.
I almost feel sorry for people like Deroy and Ted Olson, who bet their reputation on Rudy telling them he’d be a quiet pro-abortion candidate, before deciding he’d be the brave defender of a women’s right to choose.
When you sell your soul, those who buy it figure you don’t value it much, and don’t therefore care for it well.
First, Deroy now has absolutely NO credibility as he has repeatedly lied, saying that Giuliani was really pro-life and not pro-abortion. Now that his lies have been revealed, his opinion is worthless as it is obvious that he will say anything to shill for Giuliani.
Second, I find the quote above to pretty much sum up how Giuliani and Deroy have been lying about Giuliani's record in office. Now we have it in black and white that the reduction in abortions that Giuliani and Deroy have been trying to use to defend Giuliani's pro-abortion stance have been irrelevant. Giuliani did nothing to reduce abortions in New York City, yet he and Deroy have been giving him credit for those reductions. Another LIE that Deroy has been caught telling in previous pro-Rudy articles.
Finally, I find it interesting the Deroy doesn't bring up the increase in adoptions in NYC while Giuliani was Mayor. Giuliani has use that debateable increase (he says 67% increase, actual stats show only 17% increase) in adoptions to try to paint himself as somehow being pro-life. Deroy has used that increase too to defend Giuliani against his pro-life critics. However, using the adoption increase in any relation to the abortion issue amounts to a lie. A bald-faced lie at that.
According to the Administration for Childrens Services (ACS) in New York City, the agency that handles adoptions and from which Giuliani takes the adoptions stats he's been using, there was an increase in adoptions during Giuliani's term. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion. The agency only does adoptions for abused children or children of parents who have had their parental rights legally terminated or who can no longer care for their child. There is no program within that agency or any other agency in New York City that provides adoptions as an alternative to abortion. None. In addition, the adoption numbers that Giuliani keeps repeating, and that Deroy has also used, include children from the age of birth to 18 years of age. Using these adoption statistics to defend Giuliani from his pro-life critics amounts to an outright lie.
I've been doing some research on this, making a few phone calls, etc. What I need now is a response from the Giuliani campaign. I just need a phone number or inside email address to the campaign, preferably straight to Mike DuHaime.
Sources: NYC Website, NYC Mayor's Management Reports, ACS Website, ACS Press Secretary
This RINO needs to go back to the Democratic plantation.
Man, Deroy decided to start his column out with a lie instead of burying it deep inside. Hey, Deroy, does addressing NARAL twice constitute "nothing" to promote abortion? What a pathetic, lying sack of ****.
So there were roughly publicly funded 400,000 abortions in NYC during Rudy's Reign? Public Funding that he supports? And this is a positive for Rudy?
Deroy is stooping to new lows at shilling for Rudy.
Good work Spiff
Good work Spiff
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Good work indeed!
We can split Giuliani's pro-abortion record and statements and his recent campaign statements on the matter into two separate issues with which to sink his campaign. First, the pro-life base of the Republican Party isn't going to like his pro-abortion record and views and we need to keep reinforcing his image as a pro-abort liberal. Second, now we've got evidence and ammunition to show that he's been LYING about his pro-abortion views and record to get elected. We can paint him as a Bill Clinton-like liberal who will lie and cheat in order to get elected. While his pro-abort views won't sway a pro-abort Republican to not vote for him, the exposure of his lies and distortions may.
Absolutely. IIRC, you and I had a conversation awhile back on this issue of Giuliani being a Clinton-like liberal character. Your chart demonstrated that in spades. Both Rudy and Bill will say whatever it takes to advance their liberal agenda and hide their unethical nature. Liars to the end.
Bump.
Rudy sure has a way of making his followers turn into pretzels.
And this just in from the trusty Giuliani Truth File:
MAYOR GIULIANI DELIVERS REMARKS AT NARAL’S 16TH ANNUAL AWARDS RECEPTION
April 3, 1997
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani tonight joined the members of the National Abortion & Reproductive Rights Action League of New York State (NARAL/NY) for the group’s 16th Annual Gala Awards Reception at B. Smith’s Restaurant in Manhattan.
This year’s awards were presented to Wendy Mackenzie, for her work in several pro-choice organizations; Department of Health Commissioner Margaret Hamburg for promoting a policy that reproductive healthcare must be viewed as part of the overall scope of healthcare; Christy Haubegger, founder of the bilingual magazine Latina, which tackles issues like abortion and birth control; and Claudia Crown Ades, who underwent an abortion in her sixth month of a non-viable pregnancy and has worked diligently to keep this procedure legal.
“As many of you may know, I have a long record of support for the struggles women have endured to gain equality in our society,” said Mayor Giuliani. “And personally, I’ve always had great empathy for the obstacles women have had to overcome throughout this century. Perhaps the most intense struggle has been over the right of choice.
“For 25 years, NARAL/NY has worked legislatively and electorally to protect women’s access to safe and legal abortion and expand the full range of reproductive rights to all women, regardless of age, race or income,” the Mayor added. “I congratulate NARAL/NY for taking the time to honor these outstanding four women and, on behalf of all New Yorkers, I would like to thank each honoree for her strength, dedication, and courageous efforts to ensure that future generations of American women have the right to choose.”
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And here’s Giuliani i9n 2001 singing the praises of abortion and the Marxist murderess Margaret Sanger to the butchering bitches of NARAL:
Archives of Rudolph W. Giuliani, 107th Mayor
Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. “Champions of Choice” Lunch
The Yale Club, Thursday, April 5th, 2001
As Delivered
Thank you very much for inviting me to say a few words of welcome. This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century.
As a Republican who supports a woman’s right to choose, it is particularly an honor to be here. And I would like to explain, just for one moment, why I believe being in favor of choice is consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. In fact, it might be more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. Because the Republican Party stands for the idea that you have to restore more freedom of choice, more opportunity, more opportunity for people to make their own choices rather than the government dictating those choices. Republicans stand for lower taxation because we believe that people can make better choices with their money than the government will make for them, and that ultimately frees the economy and produces more political freedom. We believe that, yes, government is important, but that the private sector is actually more important in solving our problems.
So it is consistent with that philosophy to believe that in the most personal and difficult choices that a woman has to make with regard to a pregnancy, those choices should be made based on that person’s conscience and that person’s way of thinking and feeling. The government shouldn’t dictate that choice by making it a crime or making it illegal.
I think that’s actually a much more consistent position. Many Republicans support that position, but you don’t hear that as often. For example, in a recent poll by American Viewpoint, 65 percent of Republicans supported changing the plank in the Republican platform that calls for a constitutional ban on abortion. That’s 6.5 out of every 10 Republicans. And over 80 percent of Republicans believe that the decision with regard to an abortion should be made by a woman, her doctor, and her family rather than dictated by the government.
[Applause]
In any case, I just wanted you to know that many of my fellow Republicans stand with you on this issue. So I thank you, I thank NARAL for taking the lead in establishing freedom of choice for all of us, and as the Mayor of New York City, I thank you for being here in New York City.
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And also from the Giuliani Truth File, the butchering bitches of Planned Parenthood sing praises back to the abortionist Rudy Giuliani:
Planned Parenthood Sings Praises of Rudy Giuliani Speech on Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | May 14, 2007 | Steven Ertelt
Posted on 05/14/2007 11:17:05 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — Rudy Giuliani isn’t doing himself any favors on abortion by upsetting pro-life Republican voters will constant reminders that he’s pro-abortion. Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards isn’t helping him either as she lavished praise on the former New York City mayor over a speech he gave Friday. Last week, Giuliani appeared in Houston for a campaign stop and told voters there that his record as New York mayor and his dealing with issues like terrorism and crime made him the best candidate for president.
He said Republicans should support him on that basis even though he disagrees with most members of his party by supporting abortion and wanting to force taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research.
“If we don’t find a way of uniting around broad principles that will appeal to a large segment of this country, if we can’t figure that out, we are going to lose this election,” he said.
Richards praised the comments in a press release LifeNews.com obtained.
“It’s encouraging to see that the front-runner for the Republican nomination for president supports the right to make personal private health care decisions free from government intrusion,” she said.
“Giuliani’s principled stand disproves the old-school belief that you have to check your convictions at the Presidential primary door,” Richards added.
She warned that “Giuliani is pro-choice and at the front of the pack” claimed that “the days of the anti-choice strangle-hold on the Republican Party are numbered.”
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