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If the article is true, and we had just left saudi arabia well before 9/11/2001, isn't it possible that the WTC would still be standing, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation?

That sounds like you are being more than a messenger. As far as the reference to the Spaniards and Australians is concerned, they didn't have troops stationed on Saudi soil but they got hit anyway in Madrid and Bali.

I was just pointing out that the Spanish were in Iraq, I don't know about the Aussies, and the muslims wanted "infidels" out of Iraq as well. Is that untrue? What has happened in Spain since they pulled out? Paul said what he said, we all know what he said. What he said is either true or it isn't. One way of knowing if what he said was true is to compare it against what others have said, others who would know, such as Wolfowitz. Is that enough evidence or want more? How much is enough? If Paul was wrong he should go away. But if he was right, shouldn't we listen to him? I'm just trying to be reasonable, and waiting to see if others will be reasonable.

Shifting out of messenger mode and letting you know how I really feel: Personally, I think the muslim religion is extremely aggressive and expansionist, backwards, brutal, and dangerous, and has been since the beginning. The good muslims I know who just pray and that's it aren't real muslims and would be killed along with the rest of us because they made friends with Jews, Christians, Hindus, and everyone else. As to the jihad muslims around the world they will be a constant problem for civilization until doomsday. I don't know why we are continuing to let them into the country. They come here and set up terrorist training camps and we don't bat an eyelash. If they were militia freemen studying the constitution, they'd have their compound burned down and bulldozed by now. While the guys in Iraq fight, the jihadi move quietly and illegally into this country across our open borders.

If our policy makers wanted us to get our ass kicked, could they do any more to encourage trouble than attack a muslim territory while leaving the borders open?

This is why Pauls message rings with me. I don't see us fighting to win. I don't see us closing the border. I see us being set up to fail. I don't want us to get our asses kicked because a few civilian morons got us into a war they don't have the first clue how to fight.