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This Russian risk could yet dwarf our blunder on Iraq [Leftist Barf Alert]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2096395,00.html ^ | Wednesday June 6, 2007 | Simon Jenkins

Posted on 06/06/2007 1:59:20 AM PDT by RusIvan

This Russian risk could yet dwarf our blunder on Iraq

Putin's belligerence is the upshot of inept western diplomacy. Following cold war with cold peace may prove a historic error

Simon Jenkins Wednesday June 6, 2007 The Guardian

Will history tell us we were fools? We worried about the wrong war and made the wrong enemies. In the first decade of the 21st century the leaders of America and Britain allowed themselves to be distracted by a few Islamist bombers and took easy refuge in the politics of fear. They concocted a "war on terror" and went off to fight little nations that offered quick wins. Meanwhile these leaders neglected the great strategic challenge of the aftermath of cold war: the fate of Russia and its mighty arsenals, its soul tormented by military and political collapse, its pride undimmed. They danced on Moscow's grave and hurled abuse at its shortcomings. They drove its leaders to assert a new energy-based hegemony and find new allies to the south and east. The result was a new arms race and, after a Kremlin coup, a new war. Is that the path we are treading?

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TOPICS: Editorial; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; putin; putinfanclub; russia; simonjenkins; stvlad; stvladthechekist; theguardian
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The rare truthful article about Russia in the western media.
1 posted on 06/06/2007 1:59:23 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
In the first decade of the 21st century the leaders of America and Britain allowed themselves to be distracted by a few Islamist bombers and took easy refuge in the politics of fear. They concocted a "war on terror" and--

And nothing. Next.

2 posted on 06/06/2007 2:02:18 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (It's not "immigration" we're against, it's "ILLEGAL immigration"--get it right.)
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To: Thermalseeker; papertyger; FreedomPoster; Cheburashka; jpsb; No Truce With Kings; ...

ping


3 posted on 06/06/2007 2:04:09 AM PDT by RusIvan (The western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: RusIvan

More leftist claptrap from the Guardian. DILLIGAS


4 posted on 06/06/2007 2:17:11 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: RusIvan

Too bad those truthful articles are always in left wing ragpapers.


5 posted on 06/06/2007 2:25:23 AM PDT by Verdelet (Condemned by European Parliament since 2004!!!)
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To: RusIvan
Meanwhile these leaders neglected the great strategic challenge of the aftermath of cold war: the fate of Russia and its mighty arsenals, its soul tormented by military and political collapse, its pride undimmed. They danced on Moscow's grave and hurled abuse at its shortcomings. They drove its leaders to assert a new energy-based hegemony and find new allies to the south and east.

If one wants to assume that Russia will always act like a petulant child, then perhaps this line of reasoning might make some sense. However, it would be nice to be able to assume that it will be among adult nations that don't need such coddling.

Russia does have history that it can be proud of; if it thinks that it is suffering abuse because of its long infatuation with governments that the West views as very sorry lots (for the successes of the Czars and the Soviet governments, yet they were truly most impressive in their oppressiveness to many Western eyes), perhaps it should try to institute better governments rather than try its hand at "energy-based hegemony".

6 posted on 06/06/2007 2:54:29 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: RusIvan
Russia has reverted to form - it is descending once again into an autocratic, dissident-crushing regime. And - of course - it's America's fault.

Russia is going to crash and burn economically. Capital flight and a brain drain. It is turning into Zimbabwe on the Volga - and just as Mugabe blames everything on Britain, so (it would appear) Russia's woes are all caused by America. The Guardian needs to change the record, we've heard this one already.

7 posted on 06/06/2007 3:06:02 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: RusIvan
Putin says jump and liberel journalists say да
8 posted on 06/06/2007 3:07:48 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: RusIvan

I am very concerned about Russia, and also China. Both are potentially expansionist powers.


9 posted on 06/06/2007 3:09:12 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: RusIvan

Looks like Simon is getting paid by more than the Guardian. Jeez did he pile it on. Poor Russia, poor KGB, Oligarchs, poor Moscow elite drinking real Champaign, driving 6 series Mercedes, only dumb crew cut bodyguards to talk to...and all because of the mean old State Department queers were, sniff..sniff...sob..sob...and NATO...and and...


10 posted on 06/06/2007 3:27:41 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: RusIvan

While bashing the West’s “distraction” with Iraq, the UKG conveniently forgets that removal of Saddam’s regime also removed an undesirable Russian influence from the region. With Russia’s technical support to Saddam’s weapons-building programs, the West was well aware of the invasion’s adverse impact on relations with Putin. But in a strategic sense, the invasion left Russia as a diminished player in the Middle East. Nobody took their eye off the ball.


11 posted on 06/06/2007 3:30:49 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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Will history tell us we were fools?

History will tell us that half of our voters were fools. They put the Democrats in power for long stretches of time, allowing them to over run our country with socialist laws and illegal aliens, destroying our culture and ultimately our country.

12 posted on 06/06/2007 3:41:02 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: RusIvan
The guardian is a leftist rag. Leftists always want to be tough in the war we are not fighting. Today we are fighting the WOT; so the Guardian thinks we should be fighting Russia. But if Russia starts the cold war up again, the Guardian will be the first folks advocating surrender and appeasement, just the way they did in the 70's and 80's regarding the Soviets.

Russia has always been a bully of a nation, when it was able to be. After the cold war, it couldn't. But with high energy prices and huge leverage over Western Europe with it's virtual monopoly on NG supplies there, it has a larder and some power and it is starting to act like Russia again.

With it's collapsing population, Russia really isn't much of a long term worry. In the short term, I'm more concerned that Russia supplies countries like Iran, Syria, and other terrorists with weapons than I am that Russia is going to use it's nukes for anything except bullying. In the longer term, Russia is a huge worry because it is going to be Islamic in the West and Chinese in the East as its dying native population is replaced by other, more vigorous, cultures. So there will be all those rotting nukes sitting around for crazies to use.

Russian leaders today may be bullies by nature. But they are cautious and very protective of their power. So they don't use nukes. They just wave them around and yell. Islamists also yell. But are much more likely to use those nukes.

13 posted on 06/06/2007 3:53:38 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Since I am only capable of absorbing so much news in a day, and even though I have know that this issue is becoming a sore subject for both sides, Can someone please tell me why we are providing a missile defense system to the Czech Republic? If it’s to make up for a post WWII blunder, I can’t help but think that it’s a foolish mistake at this point and time. I hate to say it, but I can be swayed one way or the other on this issue. I just don’t know why we are doing what we are doing.
14 posted on 06/06/2007 4:34:41 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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I just don’t know why we are doing what we are doing.

We're playing our proven Cold War strategy of leaning forward on the Russians.
15 posted on 06/06/2007 4:57:09 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: BlackVeil
If either China or Russia had the same power we have they would use it for global domination. That goes for 99% of the world nations as well and speaks volumes for the U.S and our Judeo-Christian heritage.
16 posted on 06/06/2007 5:09:08 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Thrownatbirth
We're playing our proven Cold War strategy of leaning forward on the Russians

So instead of proving to them that we can be better allies than China, we are telling them that we don't trust them and they will never again roll their tanks into Czechoslovakia. I still don't get it?

17 posted on 06/06/2007 5:18:38 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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I still don't get it?

The only thing we're proving is our committment to our Eastern Euro allies, and the Russians know it. All we are seeing is posturing on Putin's part. Diplomatically, this is all known territory. In the early 60's, we put missiles in Turkey to defend Western Europe and the Soviets went apoplectic. This time we have a marginalized Russia that knows better than to pull another Cuban missile crisis.
18 posted on 06/06/2007 5:48:33 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Thrownatbirth
Free people in E Europe were abandoned by the West in ‘45. Lets not repeat the mistake again.
19 posted on 06/06/2007 5:59:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Darkwolf377; RusIvan
Although the writer focuses on the dangers of Russian cold war resurfacing, to claim that the West "concocted a war on terror" because of "a few Islamist bombers" is idiocy.

Clearly the biggest threat, not only to the West but to Russia also, is from the exponential demographic spread of Islam, and there have been more than a few Islamic bombers. There will be many more.

How long until Russia becomes majority Muslim? I think that Britain could well get there first, but the spread in birthrate and immigration is ticking.

The Guardian is blind. Lots of people are blind.

20 posted on 06/06/2007 6:30:41 AM PDT by Sender (I know I left my country around here somewhere. Reward if found.)
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