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To: Sherman Logan
With the Greatest Respect,
First let me say that MOST of the Jews who emigrated to Palestine in the years after World War I, were “ILLEGAL” a bizarre fact in that those Jews wanting to legally enter the minor percentage of Palestine alloted to the Jewish Homeland, were forcibly stopped and legally prevented by issuance of a formal governmental White Paper issued DURING the war, to prevent emigration; stopped by the holders of the mandate, i.e., the British, whose very purpose was to administer the "homeland for the Jews".
The Arabs living in the geographical area alloted to the Jews were a transitory people and not held to any particular tie or geographic portion of land, most being happy to live in the 78% of Palestine Trans-Jordan alloted to the Hashemite King, Abdullah, later murdered; machine gunned by Arabs whilst he was at prayer.

An obvious expression of the Religion of Peace. There is a plethora of written historical material on the entire subject, a substantial deal of it in my personal library, and sufficient data to take up eons supply of bandwidth, if we let it get away from us.

Suffice it to say that the Brits do not have a shining history dealing with it’s perceived colonial possessions and in it’s dealings with Jews, a particularly inflamed area which appears NOT to have softened over time.
As the last motor cutter left the harbour at Haifa, and the Senior British officer watched the Union Jack lowered and the blue and white Magen David raised, I am sure his revulsion at the defeat of the Bevingrads galled and twisted in his guts on behalf of himself and every Englishman in their “shriveling empire”.

I have spent some years in the UK, and attuned to such “music” have on more occasions than I care to toll, picked up the unconcealed anti-Jewish sentiment in casual conversation from many persons I came into daily contact with.

There is an ancient expression of thought in Jewish oral history saying that he who saves one life saves the world. Great Britain, if the saying is correct, is responsible for the loss of entire solar systems, so much damage did its prevention of escape of European Jewry from the Nazis, before, during and after WWII, and there is no modifying element of Englands abysmal behavior in the bright light of history. Facts are funny things. They annoy but never change, and do not biodegrade. As I wrote in my initial response, the history of the USA in the pre WWII era and during the war itself is a separate matter, and NOT a source for any particular pride.

My pleasure to discuss this matter with you.

17 posted on 06/18/2007 8:52:38 AM PDT by Gideon T. Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American. PALESTINIANS: A proud history of mindless violence since 1964.)
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To: Gideon T. Reader

As stated, your perspective is understandably one-sided.

But that does not mean other perspectives do not exist or are completely invalid.

Members of distinctive groups often identify themselves with those groups, and then to justify, rationalize and ignore the bad behavior of other members of their particular group while obsessing about the inherently evil nature of any opponents of their group.

Generally speaking, it’s tough for group members to view the history of their own group and its opponents objectively.

Very human and very understandable. Carried to its logical conclusion, you get the Holocaust.


18 posted on 06/18/2007 9:22:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Diversity in theory is the enemy of diversity in practice.)
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To: Gideon T. Reader
At my own fault, undoubtedly caused by the emotion this subject generates, caused me to totally ignore a fact you mentioned, that of the British in the Palestine Mandate (an area of some 17% of the total alloted to the Jews, but peopled with many Arabs) being attacked by the Jewish “terrorists”, or violent resisters of the restriction of allowing Jews into the Mandate.
Noteworthy is the fact that national resistance groups which by force of arms, rather than by political or governmental acquiescence, did not really begin until the war years, and after.
Most of the persons who were part of the groups of resistance, i.e. Irgun Zvai Leumi(Irgun)and the much smaller Fighters for the Freedom of Israel (Lechi)were either native born(in Palestine)or trying to enter the mandate from Europe. The Europe owned and administered by Nazi Germany.
It may be noted that the larger socialist group, Haganah was really quite Great Britain friendly and even joined in persecuting of the nationalist resistance groups, a la “haSaisone&rdquo, "The SEASON", i.e., "The HUNTING SEASON"; a time when the soldiers of benGurion declared open war on the nationalists and captured, tortured, and turned them over to the Brits for transportation to prison camps in Africa. Even unto shooting Jews trying to swim to shore from a ship (The Altalena)shelled by Ben Gurion, off of Frishman Street in Tel Aviv. To the undying shame of his name, the commander who fired at the swimmers fleeing a burning ship was Yitzhak Rabin(later murdered whilst occupying the post of Prime Minister of Israel)

Most of the most violent and vigorous activities took place, as I am sure you aware between 1943 and 1947.
My apologies if I belabour you with this issue.
It has been my interest and pleasure.

19 posted on 06/18/2007 9:36:44 AM PDT by Gideon T. Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American. PALESTINIANS: A proud history of mindless violence since 1964.)
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