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Cloture Fails! Bill Dead! 53 No Votes!
www.HughHewitt.com ^ | 06/28/07 | Dean Barnett

Posted on 06/28/2007 11:32:01 AM PDT by The Blitherer

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To: Disciplinemisanthropy
Bill Hicks???? What am I missing? He was a jerk-0ff!

I get it!!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!

41 posted on 06/28/2007 12:09:53 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Now....ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!)
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To: MSF BU
Duncan Hunter isn’t deemed among the congressional heroes? Interesting.

he's not a senator... right?

42 posted on 06/28/2007 12:10:13 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: The Blitherer

I hope that the majority now realizes that bashing congress at time works. I hope now that every American bashes for a long and high fence along our southern border and the troops to guard it.


43 posted on 06/28/2007 12:10:33 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: The Blitherer

>> 4) THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION – I’ve admired this president for a long time, but I’ve reached a point where I’ve had it up to here (my hand is at my forehead) with this administration’s chronic obtuseness and arrogance.

I’ve recently heard a theory posited that has made me re-think this ... though, admittedly, it could be just a liberal-kook conspiracy theory. My question is ... is it possible that George W. Bush threw himself on a grenade for the ultimate benefit of the Party in 2008 and beyond?

There are some that have suggested that this was a move by the Bush Administration to (1) give the Republicans an issue with which to distance themselves from a relatively unpopular President, and (2) spark up the conservative base for the upcoming 2008 campaign.

And - if this theory is true - it just may have worked ... the conservative base is riled up (and, evidently, splitting only from the RINOs, not from the Party in general), and many Congressional Republicans and Republican Presidential candidates have an issue that they can use to distance themselves from the White House.

Could this have been the most brilliant Karl Rove ruse ever thought up? I doubt it ... but its possible, and it would certainly explain why Pres. Bush was so deaf to the concerns of the base.

Hemorrhage


44 posted on 06/28/2007 12:12:51 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: Hemorrhage
Could this have been the most brilliant Karl Rove ruse ever thought up? I doubt it ... but its possible, and it would certainly explain why Pres. Bush was so deaf to the concerns of the base.

You are an eternal optimist! I wish I could believe it, but Bush has been pretty consistent with his belief on immigration. He's just never tried to push it this hard before.

45 posted on 06/28/2007 12:17:05 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Savage Beast

“It’s the Information Age that’s made it happen. The politicians in Washington are running scared.”

Bingo! See my tag line.


46 posted on 06/28/2007 12:17:18 PM PDT by EEDUDE (Thank God for the internet: Back room deals being disinfected by sunshine !)
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To: Tenacious 1

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2007-235


47 posted on 06/28/2007 12:19:43 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Hemorrhage

I can’t believe that people still give Karl Rove and Bush that much credit.
They both massively underestimated on this bill. They both massively underestimated the last election.
I think their winning the elections for George Bush had to do more with who was running against him rather than their strategery or genius.
They have become legends in their own minds.


48 posted on 06/28/2007 12:22:46 PM PDT by sheana
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To: The Blitherer

Agreed. I don’t really subscribe to the theory ... I just thought it was an interesting idea.

I DO think that the Republican Party, and conservatism generally, will ultimately benefit from this whole fiasco. The base is unquestionably enthusiastic right now, and they have just demonstrated the power that they wield. Truly conservative Congressmen, Senators and Presidential candidates (i.e. the ones who were against the bill) will enjoy a HUGE boost, and some definite separation from the struggling White House. Some of the less-conservative Senators have pretty much been decimated politically (Graham, etc.)

And, George W. Bush has SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed the Presidential Campaign of John McCain (again).

I don’t, however, think it was planned that way.

Hemorrhage


49 posted on 06/28/2007 12:26:54 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: The Blitherer
President Bush is going to need a united base come September if he wants to stay the course in Iraq. Given that consideration, calling 90% of that base bigots probably wasn’t a very good idea. Fickle, weak-kneed and misguided Republican senators like Dick Lugar are already preemptively declaring defeat.

Will the Republican base forgive the administration for its actions surrounding this bill? My guess is no. We’re moving on to finding another leader for the party, and in 7 months or so we’ll have one. In the meantime, thanks to this idiotic gambit, there’s a power vacuum right now in the White House.

I won't forgive the administration and I'm pretty well fed up with Bush but I'll never turn my back on the WOT or the war in Iraq.

50 posted on 06/28/2007 12:27:55 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: The Blitherer
The top priority right now for the administration should be the war. And yet the president spent what little political capital he had trying to shove this atrocious immigration bill down the country’s throat.

This statement is 100% wrong. In pushing for unfettered access for foreign invaders pouring across our southern border, Bush basically exposed the so-called "war on terror" as a complete fraud. He has shredded every bit of his administration's credibility on it, which effectively guarantees that the U.S. military presence in Iraq will be drastically reduced after September.

51 posted on 06/28/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child

>> Bush basically exposed the so-called “war on terror” as a complete fraud.

I didn’t realize John Edwards posted here. Or maybe Congressman Kucinich? Noam Chomsky?

Certainly no CONSERVATIVE could utter such nonsense.

H


52 posted on 06/28/2007 12:31:08 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: The Blitherer
The top priority right now for the administration should be the war. And yet the president spent what little political capital he had trying to shove this atrocious immigration bill down the country’s throat. This whole gambit was the logical equivalent of Abraham Lincoln in February of 1864 seeking out the non-war related issue that would most effectively divide his base and then relentlessly championing that issue. That would have been dumb, right? And yet that’s exactly what President Bush did.

this is a good article. The quoted language is especially perceptive and sad.

53 posted on 06/28/2007 12:34:13 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Hemorrhage
A government that sends troops halfway around the world to install (Iraq) and/or prop up (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) Islamic governments -- while at the same time pushing to allow millions of foreigners to pour across its borders -- can no longer even justify its own existence.

If this makes any sense to you, then you must be smoking some peyote today.

54 posted on 06/28/2007 12:34:24 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: The Blitherer
I wish I could believe it, but Bush has been pretty consistent with his belief on immigration. He's just never tried to push it this hard before.

If GWB had pushed SS reform as hard as he pushed this amnesty abomination, and was able to get it through Congress when he had a chance (ie. before 11/2006), he'd be a candidate for Mt. Rushmore. Instead, he's become the lamest of lame ducks.

I still think he has a chance to build a somewhat positive legacy:

1.Drop the 'new tone' and really hit back hard at the 'Rats the next time they try to f**k with Iraq war appropriations - call them what they are - traitors - if they continue to try to surrender to Al Qaeda with any timetable or 'redeployment' scheme
2. Pardon Scooter Libby and the railroaded border agents
3. If a SCOTUS vacancy occurs while he's still in office, bypass the 'Rat-controlled Senate with a recess appointment of a serious originalist justice
4. Prosecute the leakers of classified national security documents *and* the MSM traitors that expose them
5. Promise a veto of any resurrected 'Fairness Doctrine' and vigorously defend talk radio

Doubt if it will happen, but you never know ... he did cave on Harriet Miers and Dubai Ports.

55 posted on 06/28/2007 12:35:10 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: The Blitherer

Good blogging by Dean B.

Makes me proud to be a Chowdahead.


56 posted on 06/28/2007 12:36:18 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kill Bill II, The Night of the Living Dead Amnesty. Now it is time to gloat)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

http://www.jonbruning.com

Say good bye to Sen Hagle!!!!!


57 posted on 06/28/2007 12:39:43 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

“The next step is to immediately push the president to take up his word and enforce security at the border,” said Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican who help lead the fight against the bill.


58 posted on 06/28/2007 12:41:26 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Faith is believing in something when common sense tells you NOT to.)
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To: Alberta's Child

>> If this makes any sense to you, then you must be smoking some peyote today.

You’ll be glad to know that nothing you’ve said has made ANY sense ... so I’m “peyote” free.

>> A government that sends troops halfway around the world to install (Iraq) and/or prop up (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) Islamic governments — while at the same time pushing to allow millions of foreigners to pour across its borders — can no longer even justify its own existence.

Sure, there’s a contradiction in the immigration policy and the War on Terror ... though I’m not sure where you’re making the leap that the contradiction means the War is a fraud.

George Bush was misguidedly disconnecting the War and the Immigration Bill ... he was clearly wrong in doing so. However, I don’t think he sees immigration as War-on-Terror-related. He wasn’t intentionally undermining his own foreign policy ... he was, to his mind, granting amnesty to hard-working immigrants in the futile hope that they would become hard-working Republican immigrants.

Again - he was CLEARLY wrong on this issue. But - the War, and the Administration’s position ON the War, is as just and right as it ever was.

H


59 posted on 06/28/2007 12:43:55 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: what's up

The illegal foreigners should be encouraged to continue to speak the language of their homeland.


60 posted on 06/28/2007 12:53:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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