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1 posted on 07/05/2007 5:14:11 PM PDT by blam
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It means that although we are now confronted with global warming, the whole ice sheet will not melt and bring about the tremendous sea-level rises which have been the subject of so much discussion.

It also means the earth has been a whole lot warmer in the past than it is now. So are we "confronted with global warming" or just going through a natural planetary cycle? And, BTW, duh; it was called Greenland because it was green.

3 posted on 07/05/2007 5:19:36 PM PDT by hsalaw
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Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable

Which is more than can be said about Algore.

4 posted on 07/05/2007 5:19:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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Interesting...

Blam, do you have a ping list for this kind of stuff? If so, please add me to it. Thanks!

5 posted on 07/05/2007 5:19:53 PM PDT by WriterInTX
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Visited Dye-3 in November of 1970. Its call sign was Sob Story and it was at alittle under 9,000' above sea level. The weight of the ice was such that the land below was depressed to a depth of almost 1000' below sea level.

It was a fairly balmy November and themperature varied from about -40F to -75F. In fact when I called for a C-130 to come pick us up we were told that the weather was -68F and the Air Force would not dispatch aircraft when it was that cold. We had to wait for two days for it to warm up to -61F and our transport came and picked us up and took us to Dye 4 which was Kulusuk Greenland.

Talk about adventures! I spent a year traveling from Eastern Greenland to Western Alaska about 100 miles from Siberia. I saw Moose, Polar Bears, Musk Oxes, White Foxes, ptarmagan birds and even savored some blubber. Yuk, to the blubber. Been there and know for a fact that the Caribou have benefited from the Alaska Pipeline, The Anwar should be tapped and Alglore don't know what he's talking about!

10 posted on 07/05/2007 6:25:26 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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That signifies that there was ice there during the Eemian interglacial period 125,000 years ago. It means that although we are now confronted with global warming, the whole ice sheet will not melt and bring about the tremendous sea-level rises which have been the subject of so much discussion.

Boo effing hoo, Algore!
11 posted on 07/05/2007 6:33:37 PM PDT by aruanan
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In other words: “Global Warming is not a new thing”


13 posted on 07/05/2007 6:44:45 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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Gosh, the earth gets warm and cool in cycles. You would think Algore, inventor of the internet would know this. ha ha ha!


14 posted on 07/05/2007 6:48:44 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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What brought about this terrible change in climate? We know it wasn’t hydrocarbons.


15 posted on 07/05/2007 6:52:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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The Democrats need false crisis, so that they can pretend to have the solution.


16 posted on 07/05/2007 6:53:27 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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Great article, and refreshing.

That signifies that there was ice there during the Eemian interglacial period 125,000 years ago. It means that although we are now confronted with global warming, the whole ice sheet will not melt and bring about the tremendous sea-level rises which have been the subject of so much discussion.

Right on until here -- with all due respect, how can it be said that the whole ice sheet won't melt? 125,000 years ago is nothing. Nada. Zip. Heck, 450 million years ago is nothing. If that's the sampling we're going on for forecasting the state of the globe, we're dreaming if we think we have a clue. It's 4 and a half billion years old, for God's sake. I just don't see how anybody can be certain that the ice won't melt and freeze up again over the handful of 450-million-year cycles yet to pass.

18 posted on 07/05/2007 7:02:06 PM PDT by Finny (Only Saps Buy Global Warming)
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They be claiming the Earth be older than 10,000 years matey! Ping.


19 posted on 07/05/2007 8:22:42 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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It would rock if they found oil - enough to usher in a new age of $1/gallon gasoline!


20 posted on 07/05/2007 8:27:47 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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I recommend reading what the authors are actually saying about their own study. The study connects past warming to natural variations in Earth's orbit—obliquity, or how tilted the planet is in relation to the sun. Author Martin Sharp points out "One could argue that this shows that natural forcing could account for the current warm conditions, but the current orbital configuration does not support this, even when other natural forcings are taken into account." In other words, their study "really has nothing to say about the mechanisms driving the current warming."

They discovered the Greenland ice shelf is at least 400,00 to 800,000 years old. Certainly it was around the time Erik the Red named the island. According to author Eske Willerslev, the Greenland ice shelf "has not contributed to global sea level rise during the last interglacial. Importantly, it does not mean that we should not be worried about future global warming as the sea level rise of five to six meters during the last interglacial must have come from somewhere."

Finally, Martin Sharp warns the study "does not prove the current global warming trend is not human induced". If anything, "we may be heading for even bigger temperature increases than we previously thought".

22 posted on 07/05/2007 9:16:34 PM PDT by John Cook (Correlating solar activity to global warming)
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Ancient Greenland was actually green!
MSNBC | 7-05-07 | By Ker Than
Posted on 07/05/2007 5:54:18 PM EDT by Ancient Drive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861403/posts


23 posted on 07/05/2007 10:17:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Wednesday, July 4, 2007.)
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His Hilliness Pope Albert Gore the 1st of the Church of Man Made Global warming, has pronounced anathema on the heretics responsible for this study.
26 posted on 07/06/2007 10:56:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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bump & a ping


28 posted on 07/06/2007 2:42:54 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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A little commentary on the Science Daily article from CreationSafaris.com:

Ignore the dating methods, since whenever they try to get two ends to meet, it breaks in the middle. Being off by 300% tells you something about dating methods. Hasn’t Willerslev heard that the molecular clock is broken? You can’t build anything solid on Darwin quicksand.

Notice how global warming was not caused by humans even with their own evidence and reasoning. That did not stop Nature and Science from publishing more scare hype about human-caused global warming this week.

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200707.htm#20070706a


31 posted on 07/09/2007 11:43:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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DNA reveals a green Greenland
by Louis Buckley
July 5, 2007
Scientists have drilled through two kilometres of ice in southern Greenland and retrieved DNA from the pine forest that once existed there, buzzing with prehistoric insect life. Dated to between 450,000 and 800,000 years old, the DNA is among the oldest ever found... plant fossils dating to 2.4 million years ago have been found in the far northeast of the country. But, surprisingly, the DNA evidence for plant life stops at 450,000 years ago. Researchers say the lack of younger DNA suggests that this portion of the land has been covered by ice ever since -- and that goes against the prevailing view of Greenland's climatic history. During the last interglacial period (130-116 thousand years ago), the climate was 5 °C warmer than it is today, says Eske Willerslev, director of the centre for ancient genetics at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark. "Sea levels were 5-6 metres higher, and most scientific models have assumed that the melting of the southern Greenland ice cap was responsible. But our data suggest that this was not the case."

33 posted on 07/09/2007 11:46:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Monday, July 9, 2007.)
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