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Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/14/07 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/14/2007 10:30:57 AM PDT by wagglebee

While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.

"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."

Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, now a WND columnist, to draft the Constitution Restoration Act, which sought to take out of federal court jurisdiction cases that involved public officials that acknowledged God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

He's written "God, Man and Law: The Biblical Principles," and contributed to "Judicial Tyranny: The New Kings of America?" and has been admitted to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court and a multitude of state and federal court jurisdictions.

Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation.

And Titus agrees.

"All the Supreme Judicial Court did was pronounce their judgment, declared their opinion," he told WND. "Gov. Romney is like too many other governors in America. If a court says something, they jump," said Titus, who also is a former candidate for vice-president on the Constitution Party ticket.

Others raising questions about the issue included Chris Stovall, senior general counsel the Alliance Defense Fund; Scott FitzGibbon, a professor of law at Boston College; attorney Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum; and Hadley Arkes, a professor of jurisprudence at Amherst, who wrote about the situation in National Review shortly after the implementation of the law.

But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."

And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:

After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.

"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said.

To see what could have happened, several experts suggest a review of history.

Titus noted the 1857 Dred Scott decision, in which the U.S. Supreme Court had declared a slave was the property of the master, even if they both were physically in a free state. But President Lincoln rejected the authority of that opinion.

"[I]f the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made – the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their government into the hands of the eminent tribunal," he said.

Lincoln simply declined to enforce the court's opinion.

Stovall told WND that a much more recent confrontation between branches of government played out recently in Alaska.

After a statewide vote, executive branch officials refused to grant benefits to partners of state employees in same-sex duos; a lawsuit was filed and the state Supreme Court sided with the same-sex couples. The governor, Frank Murkowski, called the Legislature into special session, but lawmakers didn't want to be hurried. They approved legislation that no such changes to the state benefits could be made until they met in general session.

The court then refused to extend its deadline, and lawmakers refused to yield.

The standoff collapsed when a new governor was inaugurated and without benefit of authorizing legislation, instituted the changes demanded by the court.

Mass Resistance leaders note that to this day, the Massachusetts Legislature still has not authorized a change in the state's marriage laws

FitzGibbon also told WND the Goodridge opinion included no requirements.

"My opinion is that the Supreme Judicial Court's decision in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health (2003) did not mandate that the executive branch issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples," he wrote in an e-mail.

In a previously issued statement he made in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment, FitzGibbon warned of the immediate and dramatic social impact of such a decision, including a mandate by public schools in Massachusetts to teach homosexuality to children.

He noted one school dictum that said, "Administrators, teachers, parents and students are reminded that no action or speech will be tolerated that results in harassment, discrimination, bias or intimidation toward any member of our community for any reasons, including his/her sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation."

"The effect of the Goodridge decision has been to encourage the indoctrination of public school students in the merits of legalization of [same-sex marriage]," he said.

The result has been so extreme, FitzGibbon noted, it created circumstances in which school officials had police jail a parent who wanted to know when his 5-year-old son would be exposed to such teachings, in violation of the family's religious beliefs.

He noted further that schools have adopted the philosophy that "has no obligation to notify parents of discussions, activities, or materials that simply reference same-gender parents or that otherwise recognize the existence of differences in sexual orientation … I expect teachers to continue to allow children access to such activities and materials.."

FitzGibbon said under the logic and arguments of the Goodridge decision, there is no reason why only pairs should be supported by law.

"Polygamy – the absurdity to which SSM advocates resisted being reduced in argument even a year or two ago – has recently come to be treated by leading authorities as eligible for legal recognition," he said.

He argued for a consistent standard nationwide:

"When a state gets off the same page as the rest of the country as regards fundamental marital and sexual morality, and comes to indoctrinate children in ways that are anathema elsewhere; when a state begins to exclude or even prohibit the presentation of opinions which are not only acceptable but common and commonsensical in the minds of the rest of the country; and when a state goes even further along the road and develops a morality and jurisprudence of marital relationships which is unstable and divergent from tradition, it is appropriate to bring the matter forward for national discussion and common resolution. A nation cannot maintain a coherent social order while operating two marital systems," he concluded.

The ADF's Stovall agreed that the final resolution ultimately may have to be a Federal Marriage Amendment. Voters in 27 states already have taken such decisions away from their courts by adding the one-man-and-one-woman definition to their state constitutions.

"I do think a Federal Marriage Amendment would be the only across-the-board way to stop these repeated efforts to push this agenda in different states," he told WND.

And he said there already is precedent for such a move. In the late 1800s, as Western states wanted to be advanced to statehood, there was considerable concern over the issue of Utah's polygamy.

The result was a federal condition on statehood – a ban on polygamy.

"You have to this day at least three states, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico, with provisions in their state constitutions that say polygamy is forever prohibited – and if that provision is ever to be changed, it can only be done with the permission of Congress," Stovall said.

"It was important to our nation in the late 1800s to have a uniform understanding of the very basic definition of marriage," he said.

It was Eric Fehrnstrom, a spokesman for the Romney campaign, who told WND that Romney, "by virtue of being at ground zero in the culture wars … has been the most outspoken defender of traditional marriage in the country."

He said Romney "took every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage. He held rallies, he went to court, he lobbied legislators and he used the bully pulpit of his office to make effective public arguments in favor of marriage as the union of a man and a woman."

Romney also enforced a 1913 law prohibiting couples from coming to Massachusetts to get married if they were barred from marrying in their home state, he said.

"The enforcement of this law stopped gay marriage from being visited on virtually every other state in the nation," he said.

But Schlafly also has rejected the idea that Romney somehow was forced into action.

"[Romney] said: 'We obviously have to follow the law as provided by the [Court] and ... decide 'what kind of statute we can fashion which is consistent with the law.' But what 'law'?" Schlafly asked. "There is no law that requires or even allows same-sex marriages."

Fehrnstrom, however, noted that the "body of law" is more than just statutes passed by the legislature.

"It also encompasses opinions of the court. In our democratic form of government, the court is given the responsibility of interpreting the constitution. In Massachusetts, the Supreme Judicial Court found a constitutional right for same sex couples to marry," he said.

But the Massachusetts court opinion itself noted that the justices recognized they were breaking ground into new definitions.

And Haskins, of MassResistance, noted that the Massachusetts Constitution dictates: "[T]he people of this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent."

Arkes wrote about the situation in National Review shortly after the implementation of the law. He called the developments a "dramatic abuse of power by the Supreme Court" and a disappointment from the legislature.

But, he wrote, "a deeper failure must go to the man who stood as governor, holding the levers of the executive. … Against a plural body like a legislature, a single executive could act as force to impart focus and energy. … The range of things he could do in combination with the legislature was considerable – if there was a will to do them."

"In the Goodridge case in Massachusetts, Romney could have announced that he would respect the decision for the plaintiffs allied in the case, but he might have pointed out that the case was not a 'class action.' He could have insisted then that clerks should issue licenses of marriage only to couples who have come through comparable litigation and received a comparable order from a court," he said.

Romney also could have invoked the state constitutional provision that, "All causes of marriage, divorce, and alimony, and all appeals from the Judges of probate shall be heard and determined by the Governor and Council, until the Legislature shall, by law, make other provision."

Arkes also suggested the governor could have gone to court himself, creating the circumstances in which the "court could be compelled now to face precisely the issue that the judges had skirted: whether the majority of four had themselves violated the constitution of Massachusetts."

"Faced with a tension of that kind, it was even conceivable that one of the wavering judges of the four might peel away, and in peeling away, leave the issue back where it belonged — in the political arena, with the governor and the legislators," he wrote at the time.

Titus noted that the Massachusetts Constitution probably is the most specific in the nation on the separation of powers.

"It makes it very clear that ... the judiciary doesn't have either executive or legislative power," he said. "It specifically rejects any claim of supremacy by any one of the branches over the other."

But in the Goodridge case, the court said, "We are the supreme expositors on the constitution," he said, even though the justices admitted reformulating the definition of marriage, "which means they have blatantly exercised legislative power."

"It was a phony lawsuit … much the same way as they have show trials in the communist countries," Titus told WND.

Stovall said, too, that the American people should be alert.

"In the last six months or so, we've seen legislatures not listening to the will of the people," he said.

In Massachusetts, for example, lawmakers decided, even though there was a record number of petitioners, not to allow people to have a statewide vote on the definition of marriage.

In both Oregon and California, statewide votes defining marriage also have come under attack by lawmakers.

Titus noted on instance of an official who did defy a court opinion after determining it was not correct. That was the case of Judge Roy Moore, who defied a federal judge's opinion that the display of the Ten Commandments on state property was illegal.

Moore ended up being removed from office by state officials.

Titus said it would have been good to see what would have happened if Romney had defied the court's opinion.



TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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1 posted on 07/14/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/14/2007 10:31:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The article raises some interesting points that I would like to see discussed from somewhere besides WND and comparing it to what Judge Moore did, does not exactly make his arguement stronger.


3 posted on 07/14/2007 10:43:05 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1865054/posts


4 posted on 07/14/2007 10:48:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: MountainFlower; All

I hate to keep ‘PINGING’ You, how much do you understand ‘Constitutional’ Issues..? I though you might want to take a look at this since it’s a good read, and shows what really goes one ‘behind the scenes’..


5 posted on 07/14/2007 11:47:33 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: wagglebee

ping the Pro-Mitt Romney people, just for a gag.


6 posted on 07/14/2007 11:48:50 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: wagglebee
"Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School."

Exactly how much of this is his opinion or viewpoint? I am wondering if Romney's membership in the LDS is behind this coming out now.

7 posted on 07/14/2007 12:09:25 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: wagglebee
Credit Bush for 9-11.
 

It's not just Michael Moore saying it now.

8 posted on 07/14/2007 12:16:29 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Abathar
I am wondering if Romney's membership in the LDS is behind this coming out now.

I don't think that has anything to do with it, Titus and Robertson had a huge falling out in 1993 and despise each other.

9 posted on 07/14/2007 12:27:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: JCEccles

First off, I’m a man; secondly, what are you talking about?


11 posted on 07/14/2007 12:32:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"Titus and Robertson had a huge falling out in 1993 and despise each other."

I didn't know that, but there are a lot of people, IMHO, making way to big a deal out of his faith not to take a shot at him over this.

He may not be perfect, but I do believe that some outspoken Christian Conservative leaders would tend to opinionate their views enough to see everything he has done with colored glasses.

12 posted on 07/14/2007 12:41:59 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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Interesting calling the man a bigot on a conservative site because he thinks that morality and conservative principles are directly being challenged by the homosexual agenda.

Umm, that is unless you are living in a log cabin or something.....

13 posted on 07/14/2007 12:48:10 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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This is a bunch of bunk. The Mass. supreme court found that not allowing same sex marriages violated the Mass. constitution. Romney was thus under obligation to stop that violation. The arguments in the article are spurious.


14 posted on 07/14/2007 12:52:54 PM PDT by webboy45
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The arguments in the article are spurious.

Yes, they are and they have been discredited and rebutted numerous times already as documented here.

David French is a Harvard Law School graduate and a leading constitutional attorney with the non-profit Alliance Defense Fund (ADF). The ADF is a legal defense and advocacy group for religious freedom founded in 1994 by the leaders of more than 35 ministries, including Dr. James Dobson. ADF directly litigates carefully chosen, strategic cases to protect the freedom of religion, guard the sanctity of human life, and preserve marriage and traditional family values. The ADF is a major force opposing liberal activist groups such as the ACLU. David is a First Lieutenant in the Judge Advocate General’s Corps of the United States Army Reserve.

David French co-founded EvangelicalsForMitt.org, an independent website dedicated to spreading awareness about Governor Mitt Romney among Christian conservatives. David and his wife, Nancy, have two children and live in Columbia, Tenn. where they attend Zion Presbyterian Church, a congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America.

Articles authored by David French are an excellent source of scholarly, factual, and well-sourced opinion and information about Mitt Romney and his record as Governor of Massachusetts.

David French has written several articles to rebut and expose anti-Romney critics, most notably the seriously flawed material produced by MassResistance headed by Brian Camenker and other individuals of his ilk.


15 posted on 07/14/2007 3:02:34 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (MittReport.com)
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Interesting calling the man a bigot on a conservative site because he thinks that morality and conservative principles are directly being challenged by the homosexual agenda.

Umm, that is unless you are living in a log cabin or something.....

JCEccles is the most sexually obsessed poster I've seen on FR.

16 posted on 07/14/2007 4:17:38 PM PDT by b9
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To: wagglebee

LOL! One torpedo after another from WND in a DESPERATE attempt to sink the Romney campaign. Too bad these torpedos are DUDS due to their lack of credibility. Oooh! Ooh! Incoming WND torpedo. This one is armed with the fact that Romney ripped a tag off a mattress. Ooh! Ooh! Another incoming torpedo about his jaywalking in 1979.


17 posted on 07/14/2007 7:46:15 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: JSDude1; The Spirit Of Allegiance
JS, Thank you!

PING, Spirit!

18 posted on 07/14/2007 8:03:46 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I wouldn’t call the “truth” a torpedo, unless you are the romney sub isn’t as boyant that they can’t handle it! Try as he may “that sub can’t run from the truth”, it’s going to the bottom!


19 posted on 07/14/2007 8:12:05 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: PJ-Comix
LOL! One torpedo after another from WND in a DESPERATE attempt to sink the Romney campaign. Too bad these torpedos are DUDS due to their lack of credibility. Oooh! Ooh! Incoming WND torpedo. This one is armed with the fact that Romney ripped a tag off a mattress. Ooh! Ooh! Another incoming torpedo about his jaywalking in 1979.

Thanks for bring this to my attention

I was right WND is anti LDS, years ago they had a guy named Rasormouth who wrote a bias scathing report on the LDS and WND allowed that distorted pack of lies.

I am sorry but Joe Farrah who I once thought was fair, is a just another garden variety bigot!

20 posted on 07/14/2007 8:39:46 PM PDT by restornu (Romney will win the Primary!:))
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