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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
We are too weak and too compromised to win even though they are so obviously in error. It’s going to get much worse until God decides He has been patient with us long enough.

What would a "win" look like, and how do we know God wants that outcome? Seems to me that He wants only that we remain pure, and proclaim the truth in and out of season ... and nothing prevents us from continuing to do those things.

13 posted on 07/14/2007 1:11:54 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R

Those are good questions. It’s so easy to see ourselves as in a “battle” and to imagine that what we are put here for is to “win.” In war, absolutely. But with regard to Christians’ place in society? We strive for justice and oppose injustice, but there really is no such thing as “winning.” We will never eradicate abortion, for instance, but good Christians will continue to strive to make it illegal. God will judge the Kennedys, Cuomos and Pelosis, and the Bernardins, Mahonys, McCarricks, and Wuerls who sided with evil, and many who have sided with what is good.


20 posted on 07/14/2007 2:05:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Murray the R
and nothing prevents us from continuing to do those things.

May I suggest you pay more attention to what is actually happening, both in this country and around the world.

What I meant by "win" was "win the debate." Do you suggest that God is indifferent to the definition of marriage and even sex? He is the Creator you know. I think He has an opinion on the matter or else He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

22 posted on 07/14/2007 2:47:40 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Murray the R
While you are quietly unworried because you feel so safe in your own little space, children all around the world are being misled into this homosexual nonsense and told their is no escape once they've started. They are being lied to, sometimes starting in kindergarten. They are being placed in homosexual homes and told it is perfectly normal and good. They are finding themselves in gov't institutions where they are introduced to homosexuality and any effort to lead them out of it is called hate, bigotry and discrimination. They are going to gov't funded group counseling and being exposed to this evil practice. They are going to school and being told that Christian views are discriminatory and bigoted. On and on. We would be winning these ridiculous debates if we had any courage and any love and concern for others.

Yes it would be great to save every soul in America so that laws and decency standards were not necessary. But that is not reality. To act like it is more Christian to ignore evil than to stand up against it is appalling.

Whether we win or lose is not even the main point. Though I stand by my statement that we have the majority opinion on our side regarding homosexuality and we would win the arguments and spare the children of these evils if we only had the courage and the concern. But if we lose we lose. We should not lose becuase we did not try. If we do, we share the guilt.

24 posted on 07/14/2007 3:27:42 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Murray the R
"Seems to me that He wants only that we remain pure, and proclaim the truth in and out of season ... and nothing prevents us from continuing to do those things."

Your insight reminds me of something Mother Teresa said: "God did not call me to be successful. He called meto be faithful."

53 posted on 08/22/2007 5:20:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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