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Illegal Immigrants Upset Because Law Applies to Them Too
Red State ^ | July 17, 2007

Posted on 07/18/2007 4:20:43 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: muawiyah

How about an undocumented would be-felon?


21 posted on 07/18/2007 5:25:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Not all the folks who overstay tourist visas (presuming they had one) intend to commit felonies. Simply being here without a visa doesn't constitute a felony.

You might not have read my other post on the matter. What I propose is that we "legalize" the illegal aliens by giving them tourist visas (if they don't already have them), then extending those visas on a regular basis so they continue to be legal, but imposing reporting requirements on them which, if violated, result in felony charges and are grounds for deportation with no return.

All the illegal aliens then become legal/illegal tourists.

They get deported in either case.

22 posted on 07/18/2007 5:29:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clintonfatigued

23 posted on 07/18/2007 5:40:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: goldstategop
Of course illegals who commit felonies should be deported!

I'm in favor of deporting every illegal alien who comes into contact with law enforcement. Those misdemeanors have a way of turning into felonies.

Illegal Immigrants Say Local Law Enforcement Doesn't Care If They're Here Legally Or Not (see Post 4)

... this past February, Newport News police arrested Vincente Santiago Flores, he says, for being drunk in public and he too never heard them [the police] ask about his immigration status. Flores is currently charged with robbery.

Alfredo Ramos had been arrested for several misdemeanors but only until police accused him of manslaughter for the drunk driving deaths of these girls in Virginia Beach did local officers notify immigration enforcement about Ramos.


24 posted on 07/18/2007 5:46:10 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Clintonfatigued

Now isn’t that so special.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 5:47:22 PM PDT by dforest (Roger Hernand still steenks...oops, did I forget the EZ?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I hope they do start the deportations.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 6:12:04 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Tennessee Nana

What, you don’t like the fact you had to earn your citizenship and these people are making it worth nothing now? Come on, let’s all get liberal and sensitive to murderers, rapists and deadly DUI’s on my dime and yours!


27 posted on 07/18/2007 6:43:29 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Altura Ct.

They got to start somewhere and Chicago has a deep vaults of history books in how they dealt with such problems in the roaring twenties.


28 posted on 07/18/2007 6:45:31 PM PDT by quant5
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To: quant5

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29 posted on 07/18/2007 6:55:33 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Clintonfatigued

But never upset at their own country for forcing them to find a better place. Perpetual Victim Syndrome.


30 posted on 07/18/2007 7:28:28 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: muawiyah
Not all the folks who overstay tourist visas (presuming they had one) intend to commit felonies. Simply being here without a visa doesn't constitute a felony.

No, it is a misdemeanor just like those who sneak across our border illegally. The point is that those who overstay their visas whether they are on a tourist visa, a student visa, or an H1B visa are illegal aliens just like those who come across the border. They must be deported under the law and they won't be allowed to come back.

You might not have read my other post on the matter. What I propose is that we "legalize" the illegal aliens by giving them tourist visas (if they don't already have them), then extending those visas on a regular basis so they continue to be legal, but imposing reporting requirements on them which, if violated, result in felony charges and are grounds for deportation with no return.

LOL. That's a new one. For starters, if you give them a tourist visa, they can't work here. And it does take some convoluted reasoning to legalize their status after entering this country illegally. Moreover, you enable them to stay here forever on renewable tourist visas. Would you extend the same privilege to any tourist who enters this country?

31 posted on 07/18/2007 8:24:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Sure. The idea is this ~ the leftwingtards have come up with this "amnesty" game and have been playing it hard the last 20 years. What we need is something that destabilizes "amnesty", and that's legalization, but as a visitor, not as some kind of Z-visa bracero, or super H1B.

What we do is write a law that stipulates that ALL visitors to the United States have a renewable visitors visa even if they hadn't applied for it. We also require that they report their current location to ICE each month via a phone call to an automatic voice recognition computer system.

That's right, just a simple phone call each month, and they get renewed for another month. Having a visitors visa they will be allowed to open bank accounts and hold credit cards. Temporary international driver licenses can be recognized with this deal.

Obviously to get this tourist visa we need to have them come in for a photo, biometric measurement, and voice test ~ but the details on that can be worked out in the future.

Should a person here on a visitor visa miss making the call, that will constitute a Class 1 felony punishible by 16 to 20 years and $10,000 fine ~ roughly the same as misuse of a postage payment permit will get you ~ chumpchange if you know what I mean.

You can leave the country to avoid the penalty provided you stay away.

As far as filling our need for foreign workers, that can be handled the regular way through normal immigration. Tourists should be here to spend money, not earn it!

32 posted on 07/18/2007 8:36:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tennessee Nana
Duh..I’m an immigrant ...this was the law when I came here 36 years ago...I signed forms to acknowlege that I understood that I could be deported if I committed a felony while I lived in the US... The illegal aliens want a free pass?

Actually, I think you're free to commit a felony after you're naturalized if you had none during the naturalization process. So live it up!

But this underlines why they don't want to be citizens: they want the goodies but to be able to be essentially lawless persons immune from the police.
33 posted on 07/18/2007 8:52:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I grew up on the SW side of Chicago. The area over near 79th and LaGrange or thereabouts is just like Dearbornistan. Rapidly becoming Al Qaeda, Illinois.


34 posted on 07/18/2007 8:57:21 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

btt


35 posted on 07/18/2007 9:20:57 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: muawiyah
What we do is write a law that stipulates that ALL visitors to the United States have a renewable visitors visa even if they hadn't applied for it. We also require that they report their current location to ICE each month via a phone call to an automatic voice recognition computer system.

Why renewable? Much of our visa policy is based on reciprocity. Other countries don't allow us to have renewable visas and remain in their countries indefinitely. We already have machine readable visa requirements. And if we implement the US Visit Program fully, we can track who comes and goes in this country. FYI: There are 27 countries that don't require visas to come into this country, i.e., the Visa Wavier Program. They can stay 90 days.

That's right, just a simple phone call each month, and they get renewed for another month. Having a visitors visa they will be allowed to open bank accounts and hold credit cards. Temporary international driver licenses can be recognized with this deal.

We already have that in terms of bank accounts, credit cards, international drivers licenses, etc. We have 50 million international visitors a year to this country. What you are suggesting is an administrative nightmare.

Your suggestion of issuing tourist visas to the 12 to 20 million illegals solves nothing. If they can't work, why would they sign up?

36 posted on 07/18/2007 9:33:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Clintonfatigued

All states should start their own deportations. The federal government is too slow.


37 posted on 07/18/2007 9:42:48 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: muawiyah

Oh no no no ! ‘Undocumented’ sounds so negative, I think ‘Future Neighbour’ sounds more compassionate.
Our local Vicar is starting to campaign for the rights of people who sneak into my country illegally. His argument is that because we are surrounded by such beautiful green countryside, we should share it with people from parts of the world where there are deserts. (Caused by Britain and the US polluting the planet).
Oh I nearly forgot, Islam is the same as Christianity apparently. Just thought you might like to know.


38 posted on 07/19/2007 5:23:23 AM PDT by jabbermog
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To: Tennessee Nana
The illegal aliens want a free pass?

Are you kidding? They expect and demand everything and expect us to pay for it all. I hope the tide has really turned and that we will see more of Americans taking our country back. When that happens - and if we are able to put the kabosh on the NAU, too - I would LOVE to show the crooked politicians how well we can survive without the "vital contributions" these "hardworking" invaders "helping" us - and how schools and hospitals would magically improve simultaneously. Duh!!!

39 posted on 07/19/2007 6:01:59 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (Build the fence, secure our borders, deport illegals - Protect our sovereignty!)
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