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No Pardon Promise for Ex-Border Patrol Agents
CNSnews ^ | today | Fred Lucas

Posted on 07/19/2007 6:39:50 PM PDT by Rodney King

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To: Stallone

Funny thing, The Bill of Rights does not mention Americans, it does if I am not mistaken refer to those in America.


61 posted on 07/20/2007 8:19:18 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: eastforker

Enlighten me as to how you may justify using deadly force when your home is violated, but you may not when your country is?


62 posted on 07/20/2007 8:23:52 AM PDT by Stallone (War with Iran - While Bush is President and Troops are Present.)
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To: Stallone

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation............................................That “nor shall any person” and that”without due process of law” is kinda explicit don’t you think?


63 posted on 07/20/2007 8:24:06 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: eastforker

Only Americans are protected by the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

The Bill of Rights are Articles 1-10 of the Amendments to that document.


64 posted on 07/20/2007 8:30:57 AM PDT by Stallone (War with Iran - While Bush is President and Troops are Present.)
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To: Stallone

Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;—to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;—to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;—to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;—to controversies between two or more states;—between a state and citizens of another state;—between citizens of different states;—between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed. .................................The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States,..................................and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.


65 posted on 07/20/2007 8:52:18 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: Rodney King

I don’t think there should be a pardon at all.

I do think their sentences should be commuted to time served.


66 posted on 07/20/2007 8:53:17 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
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To: Rodney King; anyone

Does anyone have the audio and/or video to this infamous quote from Bush? I heard it and he has the worst verbal stumble of his term (hard to believe I know)! You’ve got to hear what proceeds when he says, “You’ve got a nice smile, but you can’t entice me into making a public statement.”

The story just doesn’t do it justice. Anyone have a link?


67 posted on 07/20/2007 10:37:18 AM PDT by tabortooth
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To: eastforker

The power of the judiciary doesn’t vest rights to foreign invaders.


68 posted on 07/20/2007 10:38:26 AM PDT by Stallone (War with Iran - While Bush is President and Troops are Present.)
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To: tabortooth

I heard it on Laura Ingraham this morning, he sounds like a bumbling idiot.


69 posted on 07/20/2007 10:43:48 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: eastforker
"Because even though they are illegal they still have civil rights once in this country and one of those rights is not to be shot in the back."

The drug smuggler wasn't shot in the back, he was shot in the butt. One can turn their upper body toward someone while still having their butt facing that person. Supposedly the drug smuggler turned his upper body and they thought he might have been doing so to shoot at them so they shot back in self defense. You don't have the right to run from law enforcement in the USA and expect to not be shot when you make moves that could be determined to be life threating to the pursuing officers.

Bush has once again showed his true colors to the American people, still yet some to refuse to see him for what he is.

70 posted on 07/20/2007 10:46:31 AM PDT by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: eastforker
Funny thing, The Bill of Rights does not mention Americans, it does if I am not mistaken refer to those in America.

Seems pretty strait-forward to me that a contract between a government and its citizens wasn't meant to apply to non-citizens.

71 posted on 07/20/2007 10:52:23 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: bugs_dallas; Rodney King
My name is Mark and I have ADS - Arbusto Derangement Syndrome

We're really slacking. There should've been a chorus chiming in with "Hi Mark!" OK, gather into a semi-circle everyone. Now, what are the 12 steps to recovery to ADS? LOL! Blackbird.

72 posted on 07/20/2007 1:52:01 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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To: Rodney King
More Garbage on SUTTON Narco News and Narco Blog and Political Blog
73 posted on 07/20/2007 2:43:45 PM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: Rodney King

Read the last paragragh of post # 65, that is from our constitution.


74 posted on 07/20/2007 2:44:06 PM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: mefistofelerevised

What’s with Homeland Security and Johnny Sutton having the second drug bust of the fleeing druggy declared “secret” so that the jury or the media can’t get ahold of it. This was reported today on Rush Limbaugh by Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush. The purpose of this was to keep this information away from the jury.


75 posted on 07/20/2007 2:47:25 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: eastforker
My understanding of the case is that:

1) the perp was shot in the back because he was fleeing the scene - and with grievous wound, somehow managed to escape.

2) When picking up shell casings, the agents were helped and accompanied by their supervisors.

3) Supervisors were aware of the shooting.

4) The LEOs said they saw the perp with a gun. Anyway, whether or not the fleeing suspect was armed has no bearing on the use of force to stop him.

5) No written or further report of the incident was required by formal policy.

6) A known drug smuggler was given amnesty and other remuneration for testimony, and later permitted to go about his illegal business without interference by boarder guards, on the orders of Sutton.

76 posted on 07/21/2007 12:16:42 PM PDT by GregoryFul (how'd that get there?)
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