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Northrop Grumman to own SpaceShipOne builder (Burt Rutan sells to Northrup Grumman)
International Herald Tribune/AP ^ | July 20, 2007 | staff

Posted on 07/20/2007 6:57:21 PM PDT by saganite

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To: Tallguy
Rutan will wake-up one day and realize that he doesn’t like working for a major corporation.

He's due for retirement. Maybe a book deal.

21 posted on 07/21/2007 11:51:02 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: AFreeBird

I was generalizing, of course. But I wonder if Northrop Grumman really shares the same vision as Burt Rutan (ie. low-cost access to space)? Time will tell.


22 posted on 07/21/2007 12:10:49 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Tallguy
Maybe for N/G it is a way to get into the fledgling civilian space market. Boeing and Airbus got the civilian airline market pretty much locked up.

Of course maybe Burt saw a chance to make some serious bucks to start yet another company. Although, why re-invent a wheel you're already running and building, if you don't have to.

I guess it all depends on how much N/G values Burt, and whether or not they will allow him the autonomy, backed with their resources, to get where they both want to go. Assuming they both have the same goals.

23 posted on 07/21/2007 12:21:53 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: adorno
What about that Virgin Atlantic guy? What's he gonna do now? What of all those prospective space tourists? How are they going to reach the fringes of space with Burt having sold out for the money?

I can't think of any airline that builds it s own aircraft. It would be better for someone else to handle the mass production end, and let Rutan do what he does best.

24 posted on 07/21/2007 6:40:35 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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I can't think of any airline that builds it s own aircraft

That has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with Leftist labor politics.

The airframe and aircraft equipment manufacturers were prohibited from owning an air carrier in 1934.

This was done to force the breakup of the trusts such as United Aircraft and Transportation Company.

Note that UATC was a vertically integrated aircraft/engine/propeller/transportation company. They built their products and then operated them - sounds reasonable, right?

Didn't sound reasonable at all to the newly emergent Airline Pilots Association, the union now known as ALPA. They didn't have the smarts or the capital to build their own airplanes as the vertically integrated companies did.

You can read about it a bit more here: Federal anti-trust actions cause United Aircraft and Transport, a Boeing conglomerate, to dissolve on September 26, 1934 .

This law - which still exists - is probably one of the great reasons why there is only one significant commercial airframe manufacturer in the U.S. but 10 to 20 significant commerical airlines.

25 posted on 07/21/2007 6:57:19 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: adorno
But, does anyone really believe that Northrup/Grumman is going to spend any time or effort in honoring that part of the deal?

Why would they throw away business? Particularly such a high-profile piece of business?

26 posted on 07/22/2007 9:42:29 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: saganite

Good enough place to bump this thread for later reading. I’ve been a fan of Burt Rutan for more than 25 years.


27 posted on 07/23/2007 8:55:05 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq -- via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: NonZeroSum
Why would they throw away business? Particularly such a high-profile piece of business?

What business are you talking about? How many people do you believe are out there that can afford a $200,000 price tag for a short trip to the fringes of space? And how about repeat business? How many do you think there would be? And how many of the rich are going to risk their lives for a very risky adventure? The rich didn't get rich by being stupid. And $200,000 is something that even the super-rich are going to balk at "giving up" for a very risky trip.

Getting space travel to become commonplace and safe will very likely take decades. For the time being, there may be those that will risk it, but it's not a good business proposition at the moment for Grumman/Northrup to go after.
28 posted on 07/24/2007 8:14:52 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
How many people do you believe are out there that can afford a $200,000 price tag for a short trip to the fringes of space?

Virgin Galactic has reported their sales are on the high side of their original projections, with more sales this year than this time last year, despite expectations that sales would slide down after the original SS1 flights.

29 posted on 07/25/2007 1:06:49 PM PDT by narby
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To: adorno
What business are you talking about?

The business where Virgin Galactic buys several vehicles from them, as stipulated by the existing contract between them. Are you claiming that Virgin Galactic is going to renege on the deal? If so, on what basis?

30 posted on 07/25/2007 6:22:37 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: saganite

So much for private space travel. Northrup Grumman depends on government contracts to survive.


31 posted on 07/25/2007 6:24:35 PM PDT by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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