First National Review and now Human Events.
To: CenTexConfederate; rellimpank; nicmarlo; processing please hold; WorkerbeeCitizen; Greg F; ...
I believe the Founders were right, and I believe that Jefferson was absolutely right that by staying out of entangling alliances which
no UN, no NATO -- which serve the interests of this country right now. We have no respect for our national sovereignty. This is why we dont even defend our borders, because were moving onto a North American union.Globalism ping!
2 posted on
08/07/2007 6:15:53 AM PDT by
ovrtaxt
(Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
To: CenTexConfederate
Congressman Ron Paul, American Hero. Many thanks for the post.
Best regards,
4 posted on
08/07/2007 6:32:22 AM PDT by
Copernicus
(Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
To: CenTexConfederate
[HE quoting DMN column] In the now-famous May 15 GOP debate in South Carolina, he stood out among the crowded field by blaming America for 9/11. We've been over there, and he lectured. "We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. ... What would we say here if China was doing this in our country?"
That phony equivalency rises to the level of sheer moral idiocy, and it doesn't stop there. Dr. Paul's longstanding unfortunate tendency is to rope Jesus into his war objections. Today, the notion of going to war to actually prevent additional terrorism strikes him as antithetical to the concept of a "Prince of Peace." That seems mighty harsh, but underlying that is some real concern I think Americans have as to your view as to what the war is, whether it needs to be fought, and how you would fight it as president. If you would just please
take the floor
RP: I think these types of comments dont need be directly addressed because the tone
he discredits himself because he doesnt want, you know, real discourse. But, my policy is very conservative, very traditional, its very American, its very constitutionalits very Republican. I think its the Republicans that have really gone astray, politically, and as far as their talk, in the past. I mean if you look to the old right If you like neo-conservatism great, this is a great policy.
He he. I like listening to Mark Davis on the radio here. He's pretty good. I also like how RP says he won't answer the charge directly because he didn't like the "tone." Oh, and he managed once again to work the phrase "neo con" into his answer. Ron Paul, he'll protect America by avoiding improperly toned issues...
Here's another gem:
[HE]And under President Reagan we built up our defenses., we built up all these anti-communist insurgencies in Afghanistan, in Nicaragua, we putting the Pershings into Western Europe, etc., etc. The point is: Would you have supported any of those of measures, on the grounds that you are
we shouldnt have done any of this because it would be provoking, somehow, that which would come back and haunt us?
RP: I dont think that policy has served us well. I think that
HE: The Reagan Doctrine hasnt served us well?
RP: Well, I would go back to the Wilson Doctrine. [Indiscernible talking in background]You cant isolate WWII and post-WWII without looking at the overall change of policy after WWI.
So, putting the Pershing missles in Europe to put pressure on the USSR, helping anti-communist forces around the world, etc. would NOT have happened under a RP presidency.
[RP]so the Taliban has now come back again because were occupiers.
Yeah, because the Talliban would have left if we hadn't gone into Afghanistan with troops on the ground. What dimension does this guy live in?
HE: But sir, we have mutual defense treaties with Britain, with France, with Japan. Are you saying that you would abrogate those treaties because you dont believe they would But I know for a fact -- I mean, Ive read recently the treaty we have with Japan. If they are attacked, for example, by China, we have to go to war. Are you saying thats not a valid obligation?
RP: I think thats unconstitutional because you cannot declare war by a treaty.
Now he's selling out the British, French, and Japanese.
HE: But youre saying pre-emptive strike to protect America even is out of bounds? Or am I misunderstanding you?
RP: Because its something that doesnt achieve anything, To have a preemptive strike against Iraq when they could not possibly have attacked us? What country would dare attack the United States? Where
Whos going to invade us? Whos going to send bombers over here? Whos going to send missiles at us?
Am I reading this correctly? Did RP just say he would not support a pre-emptive strike on any country?
HE: Would you project power anywhere in the world? The United States -- in terms of navy
RP: On our borders.
HE: And thats it?
RP: Because nobody would touch us. No, I think our influence, our real power is to be
through influence and by setting good examples, set a modern standard for liberty, great prosperity, trade with people, talk with people and be willing to be strong so nobody messes with us.
I had to stop reading here. This guy is a flat out idiot living in la-la land when it comes to foreign policy. "Setting good examples"? Yeah, that'll really convince Islamic terrorists to not slaughter Americans.
I know you're happy CenTexConfederate that HE interviewed RP. But, something tells me that the more RP talks, the more voters look at him and say WTH.
To: CenTexConfederate
I would rather read an interview with my neighbor’s dog than this doofus.
8 posted on
08/07/2007 6:38:46 AM PDT by
montag813
To: CenTexConfederate
10 posted on
08/07/2007 6:43:51 AM PDT by
Calpernia
(Breederville.com)
To: CenTexConfederate; George W. Bush; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Xenalyte
First National Review and now Human EventsBump!
19 posted on
08/07/2007 6:55:48 AM PDT by
billbears
(Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
To: CenTexConfederate
The Taliban itself was not an active participant though they protected Osama Bin Laden just like our ally Pakistan is now. What?!
To: CenTexConfederate
HE: Congressman, though
But what I am not clear on, and forgive me for persevering, but what Im not at all clear on
not at all, is what you would do, how you view this war. What is the war? Do we even have a war? And if were going to have a war, if were in one, how do you win it? Ron Paul's answers are so confusing that even the questioner, who appears to like him, can't even figure out what he means.
To: CenTexConfederate
I’m going to play golf. Have fun everyone.
To: CenTexConfederate
Ron Paul is a good man, in my view, but he simply attempts to cram reality into his chosen construct. It just doesn’t fit.
To: CenTexConfederate
Idiots mock, but this guy is telling the truth.
The house of cards is as precarious as it has ever been and these decerebrate protosimians keep flooding the threads screeching "peace and safety" and mocking the one guy who is willing to stand up and tell the truth: which is "WE CAN'T AFFFORD TO POLICE THE WORLD."
We are bankrupting ourselves waving about hysterical threats from a bunch of sand monkeys.
I have become convinced that we probably WILL recede from the leader of the free world, but when/if the islamofascists do come it won't be because of people like Ron Paul. It will be because we have insisted on throwing military might willy-nilly at every halfassed muslim loon with an AK47 and a koran, and then bawling out about the need for patriotism and strength when they engage us in guerilla warfare. We keep this stupid lunacy for foreign policy going and we will bleed ourselves so dry that we will not have the resources to fight when the time really comes.
One thing good about it, though. We won't have the streams of Mexicans coming across the border. We are going to wind up so damn broke that Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador etc are going to have stronger economies than we are.
I get so exasperatingly sick of the halfwit fascists who pose as conservatives I could just scream. They have sold out EVERY major tenet of what used to be conservatism for some dream of military domination of the world....., or if it is NOT military domination of the world, please explain what havig troops in over 100 countries all over the world is.
33 posted on
08/07/2007 7:15:33 AM PDT by
DreamsofPolycarp
(Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
To: CenTexConfederate
If you’re a small-government, stick-to-the Constitution conservative, Ron paul agrees with you on most things.
His biggest problem is that his viewson Iraq and the War on Terror are somewhat conspiratorialist and border on blame America first.
42 posted on
08/07/2007 7:44:56 AM PDT by
TBP
To: CenTexConfederate
I agree with Paul that we should get out of the UN, because it is so completely ineffectual and corrupt.
We do have to keep in mind that Jefferson lived in a different time. In the world we live in today, if we were to isolate ourselves and refuse to get involved globally, we would be asking for lots of trouble. This is one of the reasons I cannot support Ron Paul's campaign.
44 posted on
08/07/2007 7:53:25 AM PDT by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: CenTexConfederate
50 posted on
08/07/2007 8:50:56 AM PDT by
FreedomNeocon
(Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
To: CenTexConfederate
"Now we got ourselves into a mess and I would say that we got into it illegally, unconstitutionally -- there was no declaration of war. We transferred -- The resolution merely transferred the authority to the president to go to war when he jolly well pleased, and so I objected to the war because, uh
it wasnt necessary -- there was no threat. I mean, it had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, they had no weapons, no army, no navy, no air force, and yet we -- for the first time in our history -- have announced that we start wars -- we preemptively go in. So, we go in and we start this war and were embedded. And the question is
Your question is: what do we do about it now? I say we went in for the wrong reason. It has gone poorly. Were going bankrupt. Weve spent a half a trillion. Its going to be a trillion dollars before its over if we dont change it. This country will face a financial catastrophe the policy has to be changed. We have to prevent the war against Iran: that means we come home. Thats the only way you can do it, is come home." I disagree with Ron Paul on this point very strongly - he will not receive my vote because of it.
However, I am OK with this part.
"I believe the Founders were right, and I believe that Jefferson was absolutely right that by staying out of entangling alliances which
no UN, no NATO -- which serve the interests of this country right now. We have no respect for our national sovereignty. This is why we dont even defend our borders, because were moving onto a North American union."
56 posted on
08/07/2007 11:11:47 AM PDT by
WorkerbeeCitizen
(An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
To: CenTexConfederate
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72 posted on
08/07/2007 1:57:32 PM PDT by
George W. Bush
(Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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