From the Wikipedia entry on surrender:
Posted on 08/09/2007 10:20:23 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521
From the Wikipedia entry on surrender:
"Surrender is when soldiers, nations or other combatants stop fighting and become prisoners of war, either as individuals or when ordered to by their officers. A white flag is often used to surrender, as is the gesture of raising one’s hands empty and open above one’s head.
Surrender may be conditional, if the surrendering party promises to submit only if after the victor makes certain promises. Otherwise it is unconditional surrender; the victor makes no promises of treatment other than those provided by international law. Normally a belligerent will only agree to surrender unconditionally if completely incapable of continuing hostilities.
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Entire nations can also surrender in an attempt to end a war or military conflict. This is done through the signing of an armistice or peace treaty."
This article is in reply to all of the neo-conservatives who attempt to castigate Rep. Ron Paul for his stance on the Iraq conflict. As most readers already know, Rep. Ron Paul is running for the Presidency as a Republican. In opposition to every other Republican in the race, Paul has taken the principled stance that we should remove our troops from Iraq immediately. His position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.
In Washington’s farewell address he said:
"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to domestic nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."
In his treatise, Common Sense, Paine established many of the non-interventionist policies that would become the keystones of the American body politic for many years. His arguments are as germane today as they were when he wrote them and are the foundations of conservatism, yet there is only one Republican in all of Congress that still holds to them. Read the rest of this entry »
All of these people are dead. We don't know what they would say about the current conflict. It is far too complex to simply take some quote by Washington and attribute it to the current situation. I do doubt, however, that any of them would want our country to commit suicide.
How about a word on RETREAT?
How about a word on CUT-N-RUN?
How about a word on RUNNING AWAY WITH YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS?
How about a word on ABANDONING YOUR FRIENDS TO MASS MURDER?
Can whoever has the Ron Paul ping list ping them please? To you others, this is germane to what we were discussing on the “TV Ads” thread.
Excellently written piece
What a silly article. I thought all the founding fathers were dead.
It's the Jooooooooooooooooooos and neocons promoting the fluoridation our water supply to rob us of our precious bodily fluids....
So you have no comment on the incorrect use of the term “surrender”?
How about a word on having an objective and having the good sense to leave when that objective is met?
The word “surrender” appropriately comes from the French language
Also by this guy:
End The Drug War: The Costs Outweigh The Benefits
see:
http://blog.flada.com/2007/01/27/end-the-drug-war-the-costs-outweigh-the-benefits/
As I said before:
The support Ron Paul because he wants to legalize drugs.
How about considering that actions have consequences, and the consequences of withdrawal would likely be genocide in Iraq now, and in America later.
So this crackpo-o-blog channeled up the spirits of these past forefathers and asked them who they were supporting in 2008. Amaaaazing.
I seriously doubt they would support Ron “surrender” Paul
Sir Isaac Newton is dead, yet the laws of gravity still remain in force. Some things are timeless--avoiding entangling alliances is one of those things.
I guess they want us to read this stuff and say, “see, Ron Paul is just like George Washington!”
That’s another good article. Thanks for linking it.
"Surrender is when soldiers, nations or other combatants stop fighting and become prisoners of war, either as individuals or when ordered to by their officers. A white flag is often used to surrender, as is the gesture of raising one’s hands empty and open above one’s head.
If Paul was commander in chief, he would, in essence, make the entire country a prisoner to every jihadist nut who was emboldened by our giving up. Imagine what would happen with the international jihadist movement if suddenly, they realized they could beat the world's only superpower using the tactics they have been incorporating. What would happen to the rest of the world? We know they have their sights on Europe, might as well kiss them goodbye...
Being a prisoner doesn't just mean being in a literal prison, you can also be a prisoner to the will of others, of which, Paul would be opening the door to.
What a racist statement.
According to Peter Steinfels, a historian of the movement, the neoconservatives' "emphasis on foreign affairs emerged after the New Left and the counterculture had dissolved as convincing foils for neoconservatism . . .
The essential source of their anxiety is not military or geopolitical or to be found overseas at all; it is domestic and cultural and ideological." Neoconservative foreign policy parallels their domestic policy. They insist that the U.S. military must be strong enough to control the world, or else the world will descend into chaos.
Believing that America should "export democracy," that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations and treaties to accomplish these objectives.
Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives may be characterized by an idealist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and a much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and, in the past, a greater acceptance of the welfare state. Consequently, neoconservatives advocate the spread of democracy to regions of the world where it currently does not prevail, most notably the Arab nations of the Middle East, communist China, North Korea and Iran. neoconservatism "originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ("Scoop") Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals. Neoconservatives also have a very strong belief in the ability of the United States to install democracy after a conflict -
Just because your crackpot friend with a blog picked one nuance of one entry to use doesn’t mean the rest of us are using the wrong word.
Surrenderin is giving up. Retreating IS surrendering the battle field. OROROROR one can surrender themselves OR their weapons OR in Dr. Pauls case, common sense.
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