Posted on 08/22/2007 1:26:32 PM PDT by Fedora
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Clinton might have indeed been poor and hungry but it appears he had enough to travel extensively, air travel in those days was not cheap either.
Wonder where he got the money ?
Somewhere there is a picture of the bent one on the steps of the Krimlin, burning our American flag. I seen it during his first campaign. Does anyone have that picture? I’d love to have it.
This is why there’s significance in the question of whether he travelled to Prague by air, as some reports claimed, or by train, as he claims. Even if he went by train, this raises an issue. According to him, “Nikki and her Haitian friend Helene put me on the train”. “Nikki” would be Anik Alexis, his friend from Patrice Lumumba University, an interesting source of funding.
I don’t have a picture of that. I remember the controversy from his first campaign but don’t remember if I actually saw a picture or just heard there was one.
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Jane Pauley: Sam Donaldson, with a question for Governor Clinton.
Sam Donaldson: Governor Clinton, this week the big story has been your 1969 trip to Moscow, and your involvement in antiwar activities. Some have ven suggested that while in Moscow, you had meetings with KGB agents. Isn't it fair to say that you haven't really told the American people the full story?
Bill Clinton: Sam, this kind of attack shows how desperate the Bush campaign has become. Yes, I did go to Moscow by train in 1969. And while on the train, I struck up a conversation with a man in the seat next to me. He gave me a package to take to Moscow and instructed me to leave it folded in a newspaper in a kiosk across from Lenin's tomb. I've explained this many times. Yes, the KGB did subsequently pay my way through law school, but that was the last contact I had with the KGB until years later when Hillary and I were having problems, and it was a KGB agent, Nikolai Kuznetsov, who let me stay at his place for a while until we patched things up.
Sam Donaldson: But isn't it true that during one of the peace demonstrations you burned an American flag in Red Square?
Bill Clinton: I tried to burn an American flag once. I didn't like it. It gave off toxic fumes, so I didn't inhale.
Ross Perot: Can I say something here?
Jane Pauley: Mr. Perot.
Ross Perot: I think that's just sad.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342023/posts
The Clintons Terrorist Ties
http://prorev.com/connex2.htm
Arkansas Connections: A Time-line of the Clinton Years by Sam Smith - 1990 ON
http://www.answers.com/topic/clinton-s-pardons-list
Clinton’s Pardons List: Information From Answers.com
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/10/1/55325
How Hillary Nuked Nixon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/765080/posts
The Clinton Files
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1481988/posts
REMEMBERING SEPT. 11: BILL CLINTON’S ULTIMATE LEGACY
Clinton timeline.
August 19, 1964 - Clinton registers for the draft
—[Washington Post Sep 13 92]
September 1964 - Clinton, age 18, enters Georgetown University
—[The Comeback Kid, CF Allen and J Portis, p. 20]
November 17, 1964- Clinton is classified 2-S (student deferment). This will shield him from the draft throughout his undergraduate years.
-—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
February 16, 1968 - “The Johnson administration unexpectedly abolished graduate deferments.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
March 20, 1968 - Clinton, age 21, is classified 1-A, eligible for induction, as he nears graduation from Georgetown.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
Comment: Bill Clinton was the only man of his prime draft age classified1-A by that draft board in 1968 whose pre-induction physical examination was put off for 10.5 months. This delay was more than twice as long as anyone else and more than five times longer than most area men of comparable eligibility.
—[Los Angeles Times Sep 02 92]
Summer 1968 - Political and family influence keeps Clinton out of the draft. Robert Corrado — the only surviving Hot Springs draft board member from that period — concluded that Clinton’s draft statement (the long delays) was the result of “some form of preferential treatment.” According to the Times, “Corrado recalled that the chairman of the three-man draft panel ... once held back Clinton’s file with the explanation that ‘we’ve got to give him time to go to Oxford,’ where the semester began in the fall of 1968.
Corrado also complained that he was called by an aide to then Senator J. William Fulbright urging him and his fellow board members to ‘give every consideration’ to keep Clinton out of the draft so he could attend Oxford.
Throughout the remainder of 1968, Corrado said, Clinton’s draft file was routinely held back from consideration by the full board. Consequently, although he was classified 1-A on March 20, 1968, he was not called for his physical exam until Feb 3, 1969, while he was at Oxford.
Clinton’s Uncle Raymond Clinton personally lobbied Senator Fulbright, William S. Armstrong, the chairman of the three-man Hot Springs draft board, and Lt. Comdr. Trice Ellis, Jr., commanding officer of the local Navy reserve unit, to obtain a slot for Clinton in the Naval Reserve.
Clinton secured a “standard enlisted man’s billet, not an officer’s slot which would have required Clinton to serve two years on active duty beginning within 12 months of his acceptance.” This Navy Reserve assignment was “created especially for the Bill Clinton at a time in 1968 when no existing reserve slots were open in his hometown unit.”
According to the LA Times, “after about two weeks waiting for Bill Clinton to arrive for his preliminary interview and physical exam, Ellis said he called (Clinton’s uncle) Raymond to inquire - ‘What happened to that boy?’ According to Ellis, Clinton’s uncle replied - ‘Don’t worry about it. He won’t be coming down. “It’s all been taken care of.’ “
—[LA Times Sep 02 92]
Fall 1968 - Because of the local draft board’s continuing postponement of his pre-induction physical, Clinton is able to enroll at Oxford Univ.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
February 2, 1969 - While at Oxford, Clinton finally takes and passes a military physical examination.
—[Washington Times Sep 18 92]
April 1969 - Clinton receives induction notice from the Hot Springs AR draft board. Clinton however claims that the draft board told him to ignore the notice because it arrived after the deadline for induction.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
June-July 1969 - Clinton receives a second induction notice with a July 28 induction date and returns home.
—[Wash Times Sep 18 92]
July 11, 1969 - Clinton’s friend at Oxford, Cliff Jackson, writes, “Clinton is feverishly trying to find a way to avoid entering the Army as a drafted private. I have had several of my friends in influential positions trying to pull strings on Bill’s behalf.”
— [LA Times Sep 26 92]
Clinton benefited from yet another lobbying campaign in order to evade this induction notice. “Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton, who has said he did not pull strings to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, was able to get his Army induction notice canceled in the summer of 1969 after a lobbying effort directed at the Republican head of the state draft agency.” Arrangements were made for Clinton to meet with Col. Williard A. Hawkins who “was the only person in Arkansas with authority to rescind a draft notice. ... The apparently successful appeal to Hawkins was planned while Clinton was finishing his first year as a Rhodes scholar in England. Clinton’s former friend and Oxford classmate, Cliff Jackson — now an avowed political critic of the candidate — said it was pursued immediately upon Clinton’s return to AR in early July 1969 to beat a July 28 deadline for induction.”
— [LA Times Sep 26 92]
Comment: Jackson’s statement is contrary to Clinton’s repeated assertions that he received no special treatment in avoiding military service. “(I) never received any unusual or favorable treatment.” [LA Times Sep 02 92]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507094/posts
Clinton admitting to being in USSR in 1969 or 1970.
August 7, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-D after he arranges to enter the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
According to Cliff Jackson, Clinton’s Oxford classmate, Clinton used the ROTC program to “kill the draft notice, to avoid reporting on the July 28 induction date, which had already been postponed. And he did that by promising to serve his country in the ROTC, number one, to enroll in the law school that fall ... and he never enrolled.”
—[Wash Times Sep 17 92]
Comment - Clinton’s admission into the ROTC program again runs contrary to his repeated statements that he received no special treatment in order to evade military service. Col. Eugene Holmes, commander of the University of Arkansas ROTC program, said Clinton was admitted after pressure from the Hot Springs draft board and the office of Senator J. William Fulbright (D-AR).
Again, Clinton was receiving preferential treatment. In addition, records from the Army reveal that Clinton was not legally eligible for the ROTC program at that time. Army regulations required recruits to be enrolled at the university and attending classes full-time before being admitted to an ROTC program.
Fall 1969 - Clinton returns to Oxford for a second year. Clinton was supposed to be at the Arkansas Law School. However, according to Cliff Jackson, “Sen. Fulbright’s office and Bill himself continued to exert tremendous pressure on poor Col. Holmes to get him [Clinton] to go back to Oxford.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
September 14, 1969 - The Arkansas Gazette, published in Little Rock, headlined a draft suspension was reportedly planned by the President.
Comment - The article, citing a source, said Selective
Service reforms when implemented, would only permit the conscription of 19-year-old men. In addition, the source said “the Army would send to Vietnam only enlistees, professional soldiers, and those draftees who volunteered to go.” The source contended that these reforms, combined with troop withdrawals, “would put pressure on the Congress to enact draft legislation already proposed by the President ... and set up a lottery to conscript only 19-year-old men,” the Gazette reported.
From his letter to Col. Holmes, Bill Clinton said “....Finally, on Sept. 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board,......I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England.”. It is very probable that Bill Clinton was in the United States and well aware of the above proposal on Sep 14, 1969. Bill Clinton was 23 years old.
September 19, 1969 - “President Nixon, facing turmoil on college campuses, suspended draft calls for November and December of 1969 and said the October call would be spread out over three months.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
The President also indicated that if the Congress did not act to establish a lottery system, he would remove by executive order the vulnerability to the draft of all men age 20 to 26.
Comment - Again, Clinton was 23 years old.
September-October 1969 - “At some point, Clinton decided to make himself eligible for the draft and said in February 1992 his stepfather had acted in his behalf to accomplish this. Newsweek, attributing the information to campaign officials, said this all happened in Oct 1969. Clinton spokesperson Betsey Wright ... said she believed it took place in September. The difference is potentially significant. ... If Clinton did not act to give up his deferment until October, he could have known he faced no liability from the draft until the following summer, that he could take his chances with the lottery and find alternative service if he got a low number.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
October 1, 1969 - “Nixon announced that anyone in graduate school could complete the full year.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
Comment - Clinton is now safe from the draft through June 1970.
October 1969 - President Nixon suspends call-up of additional draftees until a draft lottery is held in December.
October 15, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London.
— [Wash Times Sep 18 92]
Comment - According to McSorley, Clinton’s demonstrations “had the support of British peace organizations” such as the British Peace Council, an arm of the KGB-backed World Peace Council.
October 30, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-A, eligible for induction.
—[Wash Times Sep 28 92]
Comment - “Clinton said he put himself into the draft by contacting his draft board in September or October and asking to be reclassified 1-A. ... It is not clear, however, whether that occurred at Clinton’s urging or whether his failure to enroll at University of Arkansas automatically cancelled his 1-D deferment.”
Clinton has never produced any evidence to substantiate his claim that he initiated his reclassification.
November 16, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London.
December 1, 1969 - Clinton draws #311 in the first draft lottery.
—[Wash Times Sep 18 92]
Comment - Clinton was virtually assured that he would not be drafted because of the high lottery number.
December 3, 1969 - While still in England, Clinton writes to Lt. Col. Eugene Holmes, , commander of the University of Arkansas ROTC Program and states, “From my work I came to believe that the draft system is illegitimate ... I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason - to maintain my political viability.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1209454/posts?page=1#1
Clinton’s ROTC Letter As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5550) 7/30/93
As usual, Fedora ROCKS!
I think you were the one who first pointed out the VMC connection to me, waaay back in 2004 :-)
Actually, it was NW_Arizona_Granny that pointed it out to me when I made this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts
Vets refuse to forgive Kerry for antiwar acts
She posted in there that she remembered Clinton going to Russia and she gave the approximate years.
After I found that I made the Clinton timeline.
Regardless, I can’t make great threads like you. I can only copy and paste :)
And you are on my copy and paste list for this evening.
Of to check on my dinner. ciao!
Thanks for the ping.
Thanks, nw_arizona_granny! :-)
Of interest. For reference.
bookmark for later
bump!
Good stuff and a useful reminder who the klintoons are. I assume hillary was doing her bit to help bring down Nixon suring this time?
“during” not “suring”
Post in haste.....
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