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To: Nathan Zachary
First, the parentheticals aren't there in the original text, they are commentary.

Second, I am not supporting the spurious story told by double-dealing Muslim apologists that most Muslims accept as authoritative the Hadith in which Mohammed after a defeat tells his followers that they are leaving the 'lesser jihad' of warfare against the infidel for the 'greater jihad' of personal purification.

At best a tiny minority of Muslims (mostly among the Sufi) regard that Hadith as genuine, though lots and lots of Wahhabis and even Salafists, all of whom reject its authenticity, will cite it to deceive non-Muslims.

I repeat, I am talking about the meaning of the word 'jihad' in Arabic, qua Arabic, not in Islamic discourse. In Arabic it means 'struggle', period. In Islamic discourse (with the exception of a minority among the Sufi) it means the particular struggle, warfare against the infidel.

60 posted on 08/27/2007 1:19:39 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
"First, the parentheticals aren't there in the original text, they are commentary."

They are in every translation, and are put there by the scribes who translate the Koran. They are official and carry the same wieght as every other word. They are not commentary at all, they fill in missing words and provide meaning. Otherwize the sura wouldn't make sense. You really need to study more, rather than repeat, which you are almost word for word, the Islamic apollogist's excuses for everything. You've even tried the bait and switch using the bible, suggesting that if something is wrong in the bible, that somehow justifies what is wrong with the koran.

The "origional text" is what? Arabic? there isn't a muslim alive that can read the koran in it's "origional text". The Koran is memorized, never actualy "read". Most muslims haven't a clue what the koran actually says. You can glue all the covers on upside down and a so called Imam "reading" the Koran wouldn't know it.

As far as the hadith goes, there are only minor differences and omissions between the Sunni and Shiites, The main thrust of it is the same as far as the infidel is concerned.

Your full of excuses for Islamic scripture, but you produce nothing to back it up.

Jihad means exactly what the Koran and sunnah says it means, there are thousands of sura a hadith to make it absolutely clear.

The ninth sura is one of the last in the Koran, it abrogates anything and everything else, and is final instruction to ALL Mulims. Rather than spew nonsense, you would benefit from reading and understanding The docrine of Abrogation as well as everything else on this site.

65 posted on 08/27/2007 1:40:43 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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