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Let's Mine the Blamed Thing (He3)
L.A. Times ^ | August 28, 2007 | Homer Hickam

Posted on 08/28/2007 8:13:47 PM PDT by anymouse

Paul Thornton's Op-Ed, "Space Program Lunacy," recently caught my eye. Although Mr. Thornton's emphasis was on the need to replace a certain weather satellite rather than "waste billions" on human spaceflight, I instantly felt the need to come to the defense of NASA's plan to return to the moon.

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First, let me confess a little bias. When I was a West Virginia lad of 17, I met a Massachusetts lad of 42 by the name of John F. Kennedy.

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When he asked for questions, I raised my hand and, for some reason, he noticed me right off. Because I was a rocket boy, I asked him what he thought we should do in space. He turned it around and asked me what I thought we should do, and I said we should go to the moon. When he asked me why, I looked around at all those coal miners and said, well, we ought to go up there and just mine the blamed thing! The miners all laughed, and so did Kennedy, and when he agreed with me, he secured all their votes that day.

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Homer Hickam is the author of "Rocket Boys," on which the movie "October Sky" was based.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: he3; helium3; jfk; moon; nasa; space
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From the mouth of the original Rocket Boy.
1 posted on 08/28/2007 8:13:50 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: KevinDavis

space ping


2 posted on 08/28/2007 8:14:20 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

It was a waste of taxpayer money then, and NASA continues to waste taxpayer money now. In particular the Space Shuttle program is a completely useless waste of time and dollars that could be spent actually doing real science (or better yet actually unspent so that taxpayers can decide themselves what to do with their own money).

jas3


3 posted on 08/28/2007 8:16:29 PM PDT by jas3
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So, you consider things such as Ear thermoters, Smoke detectors, hand-held vacuum cleaners, water filters, ergonomic furniture, Microwaves, highly efficient foam insulation, portable x-ray machines, programmable pacemakers, and GPS systems to be a waste of taxpayer money?

Because all of the above items were invented for use in or derived from research from the U.S. MANNED Space program.

4 posted on 08/28/2007 8:26:42 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish

That isn’t a valid reason for space travel, can you imagine how much more we would have if the billions wasted on the shuttle program went to R&D for practicial devices like the ones mentioned.


5 posted on 08/28/2007 8:29:29 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: commish

Don’t forget, microprocessors, Crazy-Glue, personal PC’s, Digital watches and calculators, high resolution monitors, cell technology and the framework for the internet.


6 posted on 08/28/2007 8:30:23 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: commish
I love the space program. I'd like to go to the moon myself but I'm too old now. Maybe all these cool inventions would have eventually been invented anyway by someone else as the need arose. And there is no question of the enormous costs that space exploring entails.
7 posted on 08/28/2007 8:30:46 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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To: liege

Almost forgot Tang.


8 posted on 08/28/2007 8:31:36 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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To: LukeL
Take a guess who did the R&D for all of that.

Here's a hint....the letters of the name are N.....A......S.....A

You figure it out from there.

9 posted on 08/28/2007 8:31:59 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: commish

Don’t forget TANG !!!


10 posted on 08/28/2007 8:32:36 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: commish

We could have bought all these innovations from the flying saucer crews instead of robbing this stuff when they crashed, and claiming we invented it


11 posted on 08/28/2007 8:36:48 PM PDT by Freeper john
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“...went to R&D for practicial devices like the ones mentioned...”

I think the “necessity is the mother of invention” might cover this. Without HAVING to have this technology for the space program I doubt much of it would have been invented.


12 posted on 08/28/2007 8:37:01 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: jas3
I'm not 100% on everything they are describing being a result of NASA's efforts. Maybe Tang.

But NASA is a flip of the switch away from being a sixth branch of the military, as it should be, and that is enough reason to justify the existence of the program, if not all of it's spending.

And the article is right. He3 is highly potent energy source. Just gotta find a way to get it back here - maybe launching tankers into the ocean from the moon or something.

13 posted on 08/28/2007 8:47:30 PM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: jas3
"It was a waste of taxpayer money then, and NASA continues to waste taxpayer money now. In particular the Space Shuttle program is a completely useless waste of time and dollars that could be spent actually doing real science (or better yet actually unspent so that taxpayers can decide themselves what to do with their own money)."

Cause Congress has shown us that if they have a surplus of money they will spend all of it on highly useful programs that benefit everyone and wouldn't waste it on "Bridges to Nowhere" or other Pork projects HUH????


14 posted on 08/28/2007 9:04:07 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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Indeed ... and the payback for every dollar spent by NASA is what, $11? What is the payback for that dollar spent by DHHS? And remember, every dollar spent by NASA is spent here on erf, not in space. Can it be done better? You betcha, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done!


15 posted on 08/28/2007 9:06:31 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: mbraynard
And the article is right. He3 is highly potent energy source

Lately, I'm not so sure. I need to do a little more research, but this article indicates it may not be as useful as first thought. I'm inclined to be skeptical of the article, but it bears checking.
16 posted on 08/28/2007 9:45:54 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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P.S. - I’m mainly only inclined to be skeptical because I’m always skeptical of “killjoy” articles, and NOT because I see any obvious error in this one. On the surface, it appears to successfully dismiss the optimism over He3 (after dismissing the fears over black holes being created by the LHC). I’d just like to know if there’s anything missing from the author’s consideration.


17 posted on 08/28/2007 9:52:28 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Pistolshot
Take a guess who did the R&D for all of that.

Here's a hint....the letters of the name are N.....A......S.....A

Bzzzz! Wrong! Try DARPA or other DOD researchers. People like to think NASA does valuable R&D that leads to common civilian products, but very few technologies originate within NASA. NASA has used some of these technologies and products, which leads to the confusion.

BTW, Tang was invented commercially and offered to NASA for spaceflight in hopes that it would become more popular, apparently the placement marketing worked for a while.

18 posted on 08/28/2007 11:28:06 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: NonValueAdded
Indeed ... and the payback for every dollar spent by NASA is what, $11?

I want to see the balance sheet. I have yet to see NASA pay a single cent in taxes or pay a dividend.

And remember, every dollar spent by NASA is spent here on erf, not in space.

Don't know where erf is, but certainly those who benefit from NASA employees and contractors spending their paychecks in their local businesses sure hope we keep the pork flowing.

Let the commercial guys start an economy in space and space starts to becoming a place of commerce not a welfare program for the overeducated.

19 posted on 08/28/2007 11:37:33 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: commish
So, you consider things such as Ear thermoters, Smoke detectors, hand-held vacuum cleaners, water filters, ergonomic furniture, Microwaves, highly efficient foam insulation, portable x-ray machines, programmable pacemakers, and GPS systems to be a waste of taxpayer money?

Where's the constitutional authorization for the Federal government to spend money on those things?

20 posted on 08/29/2007 9:23:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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