Posted on 09/27/2007 10:27:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There's currently only one candidate capable of mobilizing the Republican base for a widespread "get-out-the-vote" drive in the upcoming presidential election. It's not Mitt Romney or newcomer Fred Thompson. One potential candidate could mobilize the Republican base beyond anything that Karl Rove ever dreamed of, and that's Hillary Rodham Clinton. It's only fair. George W. Bush certainly contributed to the Democratic victory in the 2006 midterm elections. If Hillary receives the nomination, we may discover who hates whom more - the Democrats vs. George W. Bush, or the Republicans vs. Rodham Clinton? (Continued)
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I don’t long for an invasion.
I look at this as a case “be careful what you wish for”. I think Obama or that whimp Edwards would be a whole lot easier to beat than Hillary. I think she (Including the Clinton Machine) is going to be a formidable candidate. I hate to say it, but right at this time, I think she wins.
Let’s just hope she doesn’t energize us into fierce squabbling amongst ourselves, and land herself in the White House via the tried and true “divide and conquer” strategy.
“the Democrats vs. George W. Bush, or the Republicans vs. Rodham Clinton?”....... The simple fact is, base republicans are mad as as hell at Bush over his illegal immigrant stand, open borders and expanding big government. If that’s what most of the base think about their parties president, it doesn’t take much imagination to guess what they think about a liberal! I can safely say I’d be 10 times as mad if she got elected than when her “pants around his ankles husband” was running the show.
I’ll go you one further.
Hillary wouldn’t have thrown her pants into the ring unless she knew she was guaranteed a win. Just her running means she knows she’s going to win. Hillary and Bill don’t run to lose.
“Do I really see America voting for the screeching harpy?” Unfortunately, I have become very disalousioned with the American electorate. The sad fact is that most Americans who vote, and that is half of the registered eligibles, are uninformed, don’t follow the news (especially political news) and are influenced by 15 and 30 second sound bites. Look how many voted for Gore and Kerrey. This time around we have a lot of the momentum against us and not near the positive issues we had in 2000 and 2004. The “screeching harpy” is cleaning up her public act and it is working.
There’s one big difference. Our hate for the Clintons is justified by their corruptness. Their hate for Pres. Bush is because of Sore Loooooser 2000 syndrome.
Nope. If Fred Thompson is our nominee, then it will be 1996 all over again. We'll have a Bob Dole-like candidate (minus the honorable service in WWII) counting on Republican outrage at a Clinton's possible return to the White House. And you saw how 1996 turned out. Bob Dole's candidacy was at the beginning of the Republican revolution in Congress and didn't have to bear the weight of an increasingly unpopular war. Disgust at Clinton was near its height, yet he still won and Bob Dole lost.
William Kristol says otherwise at RCP.com this morning.
For what its worth (and it may not be much), I heard two black
ladies discussing Hillary Clinton at the Medical Center Metro stop.
What I heard was: we are not ready for a woman president.
If two stalwart bases for Hilwitch feel this (blacks and women),
what do others think?
MV
All you have to do is read all the “I will never vote for Giuliani” posts on this forum to know that this is EXACTLY how she could win. I will vote for ANY Republican over her...how many Freepers can say this? And I have been a member of this forum for a loooooooong time. So don’t say I’m some damn RINO.
I just think that at a time when the world has been ginned up to hate Republicans and Bush, we are going to have to have a more moderate candidate to beat Hitlery. Call me a pragmatist.
Hillary will energize the base but the shear hatred of Hillary is primed to backfire especially if she moves to the center which I see as inevitable. I’m not saying this because I like Hillary or would vote for her. (my fingers would rot and fall off before I’d check a box next to her name) I just think that just as George W Bush has been consistently underestimated by the left that Hillary is overhated by the right.
The way to win against Hillary is to attack her horrible policies in a way that alienates her from women and minorities. That is the key to defeating her. I fear though that we are going to be looking at a Clinton Obama ticket which will mean that the Republican who wins the primary will have to be relentless because her technique will be to neutralize the Republican message as Bill Clinton did. Bill Clinton can be made into an albatross if the Republican party can keep their message straight.
I don’t see it happening so it is probably better they just let him be there by her side. That is enough. I would stay away from the petty issues and shoot at him with 9-11 and his not going after terrorists. Plus there are many examples of how horrible an exective Hillary is. Look at the way she handled the travel office and the mess with the FBI files. There is enough relevant material that even now Obama and Edwards should be burying her but they are both afraid. I would not be surprised if the Clinton’s did not already have deals negotiated with both of them to help hold back their criticism.
Hillary is the worst thing that the Democratic party could go for. Hillary and Bill presided over the biggest loss of power the Democratic party has experienced in recent history. Hillary has the potential to be a lightening rod, if she becomes that then the Democrats very well may lose everything but then again that is as always contingent on a Republican party that has a stomach for blood.
You and Old Mil with your “Bob Dole” comparisons. Fred Thompson and Bob Dole (other than both being Republican senators) have little in common. Please explain why you feel Hillary Clinton would defeat Fred (i.e., which voting blocs favor Mrs. Clinton).
Good points, but the problem we really have now is our prospective nominee, not theirs.
Here’s why Hillary will win:
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw
I don’t see America voting for Shrillary. Her husband won and kept the presidency due to a third-party candidate that drained more votes from the right than the left. This time, I think you’ll see a third-party candidate that drains votes from the left, and I’m assuming it will be some graduate of the Kucinich School of American Surrender. The moonbats on the left and right coasts will be voting for this candidate, because they want to “send a message” and can’t live in reality. Which, for once, I think will work in our favor.
Americans don’t like Shrillery. Even libs and Dems I know have no intention of voting for her.
Imho, Romney can’t win. Thompson can.
Hillary!08 should switch to R. She’s already to the right of some of the Republicans, and although she is straight out of Brave New World she has become a ME Warhawk. In fact, the more she moves into the twentieth century the more she sounds like a Republican. She’s already up to 1913.
There isn’t anything wrong with being a pragmatist. It’s called realism. Sometimes when you are hunkered down in a bunker, being overwhelmed by enemy armor and infantry and you discover you only have a couple of bullets left, reality sets in. Sooner or later, most of this forumn is going to realize there choice is between Hillary and someone who can beat her rather than Hillary and someone who espouses their values, but will lose. Get rwady for the Artillery Keith.
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