Polynikes: The MSM would love nothing better than for Rudy to be the nominee.
Everything they want hinges solely upon their perversions...
No more perverts in the White House!
Posted on 09/30/2007 11:11:12 AM PDT by shrinkermd
Respectfully, it seems rather odd that all the polls with Guilini in the lead are at least a week old and the one with Thompson in the lead (that has been reported) is from the 26(?). See realclearpolitics.com
I suspect much of the Guiliani turbo outreach this last week has been in anticipation of a trend shown in confidential inside polling that the public does not get to see. Once the public polls come out then it we are going to see the real fight.
Especially with Gingrich dropping out and publicly refusing to endorse anyone.
Giuliani is viewed favorably by 49% of all voters, his second straight week below the 50% mark. Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republican voters offer a positive assessment of the former New York City Mayor. Thompson is viewed favorably by 43% of all voters and 63% of Republicans. Twenty percent (20%) of all voters still don’t know enough about the newest candidate to have an opinion one way or the other. See key stats for Republican candidates. Other survey data released today show that American voters remain strongly opposed to a military draft and 62% believe that Iran sponsors terrorist activities against the United States. Polling data released yesterday also shows that Clinton has opened her biggest lead of the year over Republican frontrunners Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson. The Rasmussen Reports Election 2008 Presidential Tracking Poll is updated daily, Monday through Friday. Daily results are based upon a four day rolling average and new results are posted each day by noon Eastern If Thompson was adhead by 6%, then he has lost 4%. No matter, these polls are early and Rasmussen, used to use The Internet as its means of obtaining polling data. They claim they beat everyone; however, I note they base this on their last poll (hours before election) which seems to meet what others have found but with a more recent flair. In the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination, it’s Fred Thompson with 24% and Rudy Giuliani at 22%. The next level features Mitt Romney at 12% and John McCain at 9%. Mike Huckabee now earns support from 7% of Likely Republican Primary Voters. (see recent daily numbers).
The fact that a squish municipal mayor is even polling among the top 5 GOP Presidential candidates now is like watching a lead kite fly when it shouldn't be. Given his stands on illegal immigration, the fact that he's even on the radar is a disgrace to the Party.
And, in further obvious news,...the corporate media sucks.
Everyone who can not conceive of 8 more yrs. of the Clintons.
So with all this detailed analysis, what is the predicted outcome by electoral ballot if Rudy is the candidate? The rest of this doesn’t mean a whole lot, but it sure can fill up a page..
yikes.
Does this mean Guiliani will make a new speech where he promises to be like Ronald Reagan but crosses his heart this time?
Perhaps he can double pinky swear to be like Reagan.
I don't understand your point either. Ok yes let's say urban voters tend to be more "liberal", and that this holds for both parties. And this hurts Giuliani therefore, because... wait, because why?
Isn't Giuliani supposedly "liberal" in the eyes of many freepers?
Again - if he's the front-runner, he's the front-runner. Unless you're claiming there's something wrong with the methodology of basically every poll showing him the front-runner, then this stuff you're saying doesn't matter, because it's already encapsulated in the poll.
And what does "the timing's everything" mean?
The polling in suburban/exurban areas holds the key IMO - those people will be intra-party “swing voters”.
"intra-party swing voters"? I don't know what that means.
Honestly, people here seem to be really reaching, when it comes to looking for reasons to downplay Giuliani's poll numbers. Why? It's fine if you don't prefer Giuliani. But it doesn't help anything to try to deny the reality that he's the front runner at present.
I said that I do agree that in the last month the race has tightened, and that I think it is a 50/50 chance that either could win. Since I will vote for either one of them should they be the nominee, I don't think I was being misleading. I think that many here think that the rest of the Republican party thinks exactly like they do, and I don't see that to be the case. In the real world, talking to Republicans that I associate with every single day, I do not see the enthusiasm for Fred that I do on here. Most of the people that I talk to (in Mid Wisconsin) many of which are extremely active in our local party, just don't see Fred as much different than what we have now, and I don't know if that is enough to win over Hillary.
I don't know if Rudy is the answer, but the more non political people that I talk to, and even the political ones are more interested in him than they are in Fred at this time. Once the campaigns get more into focus, and once Fred actually gets into some debates, that may change. Because to tell the truth, no one is really resonating at this time. But the one thing that hasn't changed is the people I do talk to DO NOT WANT HILLARY.
Presumably, activists/workers for Giuliani are people who like Giuliani, and his "financial base" consists of rich people who like Giuliani.
What the hell are you even asking?
The fact that a squish municipal mayor is even polling among the top 5 GOP Presidential candidates now is like watching a lead kite fly when it shouldn't be.
A healthy reaction to seeing this might be to question your assumption that the kite was made of lead, rather than to just stand there dumbfounded going "that shouldn't be flying! it shouldn't be flying! why is it flying!"
Given his stands on illegal immigration, the fact that he's even on the radar is a disgrace to the Party.
That's true because until Giuliani, Republicans have had a well-established tradition of being strongly anti-illegal immigration to a fault. Current Republican two-term President George W. Bush, for example, is FANTASTIC on this issue. So Giuliani would be a real break in that pattern.
“Giuliani is viewed favorably by 49% of all voters, his second straight week below the 50% mark. Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republican voters offer a positive assessment of the former New York City Mayor. Thompson is viewed favorably by 43% of all voters and 63% of Republicans. Twenty percent (20%) of all voters still don’t know enough about the newest candidate to have an opinion one way or the other. See key stats for Republican candidates. “
For you to use that, we need to know when that data was gathered (not the date of the article), in the rapid rate of climb of the 25 day campaign of Fred Thompson, it makes a dramatic difference of how old that data is, one week, two?
Say it with feeling! ; - D
Personally I have never done that.
I, from time to time have shown my disdain for polls for they have proved to me to be irrelevant time and time again.
“My point, and my only point (which I stated in my original post) was that ansel12 was complaining that the article did not use the most up to date polls. He then went on to quote a Rasmussen poll from Thursday, when there was a Friday poll from the same group showing the lead shrinking again.”
An odd point to spend so much time on.
I used the latest from realclearpolitcs, which I thought was the latest.
The minor 2 point difference from the following day that was only on the Rasmussen site didn’t change the big point about this phony thread claiming that Giuliani has a large lead and is the frontrunner.
Something that both you and shrinkermd now agree on
Fred is the Republican frontrunner.
LOL
“What the hell is Giullianni’s actual constituency in the Republican Party? I mean who the hell constitutes his activist/worker and financial base?”
Liberal Republicans in the ‘blue states’. Those whom GENERALLY believe in free-markets, and our military...but for some part, shun values and law (or atleast have their own version of it).
“the fact that he’s even on the radar is a disgrace to the Party.”
Half of his strong support is in ‘blue states’.
Conservatives and Republicans alike must realize that if they don’t start having children and spreading a wise political idealogy...their days are over.
It is sad, but this was in the making for a long-time. The liberals are going far left, and the right is going to the left. Either we have more children in America or we (by default) import people whom will move big states like California to the left. I’m for immigration, but the way things are set...we’re subsidizing the democrats party.
We’re ensuring their reign.
The sad thing is, this is happening in every industrialized nation, and the world leaders aren’t flinching to this big issue of dropping fertility rates.
http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/fertility.htm
Ask yourself how long civilization can last with such low replacement levels, and high levels of immigration...? How long will American culture (e.g individualism, law, and life) exist...if there aren’t many people that fully understand it?
Country/Children per woman
Japan 1.4
Italy 1.2
Germany 1.3
Canada 1.6
Austria 1.4
United Kingdom 1.7
Russia 1.4
This is our great long-term threat. Exchanging first world culture for third world culture. Europe is seeing this and America is seeing this. We have to increase our birth rate, protect our children, and promote a structure world-wide to substain this culture.
Otherwise the leaders of the world we’ll be Hugo and Ahmadinejad. I pray that world has the wisdom to see through to the truth, and not cling to men such as those.
Far, far away from national politics if you have even a pip of concern for the future of our sovereign nation and it's ability to maintain it's freedom with pride.
Polynikes: The MSM would love nothing better than for Rudy to be the nominee.
Everything they want hinges solely upon their perversions...
No more perverts in the White House!
He’s a lock in the following subgroups :
Cross dressing
Pro queer
Cousin Marrying
Gun Grabbing
Tax Raisin
Baby Killin
City Dwellin
Oh, I don't know but self serving RINO and liberal minded constituents have crossed my mind.
Who could ask for anything more? /s
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