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To: Notary Sojac

I wouldn’t consider myself a stereophile, but I can detect marked difference between the way my music sounds when played on my computer with iTunes and how it sounds coming out of my car CD player from a burned cd. The sound isn’t as rich on car stereo. I haven’t figured out if something is being lost during CD burning, my CDs are of poor quality, the speakers in my car don’t have the audio range that my Bose headphone on my computer has (quite possible), or my CD player doesn’t have the audio range as the sound card in my computer. Or some combination thereof.


5 posted on 10/04/2007 9:36:16 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

You can’t tap dance on pillows.


12 posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:29 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: JamesP81

Your car stereo does have to compete with glass windows and other strangely-shaped surfaces, whereas your home stereo, even your PC, may not.


14 posted on 10/04/2007 9:42:11 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: JamesP81

Maybe it’s just that your car has bad acoustics and lots of ambient noise. I remember Maximum PC magazine did a blind sound test among several audiophiles and audio hardware reviewers, testing mp3s, turntable records, reel to reel and cassette. Most of the audiophiles said before the tests there is no substitute for a record on a turntable in terms of sound quality. The MP3’s (160 bitrate) won.


16 posted on 10/04/2007 9:42:53 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: JamesP81
...the speakers in my car don’t have the audio range that my Bose headphone on my computer has...

Bingo. After having been involved in every phase of the audio electronics business over the years I can say that the weak link is the speakers.

The ones in your vehicle at best, when brand new have a frequency response of 20-20,00Hz. As time and environment does their thing on the rubber surrounds and other elements of the speakers, this reduces their efficiency.

They simply can be no match for the Bose headphones you use where a newer speaker is in close proximity to your ear.

It is possible too that at higher volumes used in a car environment, the amp is clipping a bit (not reproducing higher frequencies) and this would easily affect the sound reproduction. That would depend more on the source and your listening habits.

21 posted on 10/04/2007 9:50:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Jet noise. The Sound of Freedom. - Go Air Force!)
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To: JamesP81
Easiest way to test that is to control for the source. Play the same commercial CD in your car and on your computer.

I'm inclined to agree with you that it's the headphones.

Given the same source material, my guess is that most of the variation in perceived quality results from the last link in the chain..whatever you use to produce the final output to your (analog) ears.

22 posted on 10/04/2007 9:50:56 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("If it ain't broken, fix it 'till it is" - Congress)
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To: JamesP81
I haven’t figured out if something is being lost during CD burning, my CDs are of poor quality, the speakers in my car don’t have the audio range that my Bose headphone on my computer has (quite possible), or my CD player doesn’t have the audio range as the sound card in my computer. Or some combination thereof.

May be other factors, but music does lose clarity each time it is digitally transcoded. Multiple points of transcoding is also one of the challenges in VoIP networks. It is hard to put in words the subtle difference - some say tinny, distant, "chambered", etc. - but there is a difference.

23 posted on 10/04/2007 9:51:26 AM PDT by IamConservative (Only two have offered to die for a stranger; Jesus Christ and the American Soldier)
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To: JamesP81

Without knowing the exact parameters of your A/B test you’re talking about the difference between listening to an mp3 version of a tune versus listening to a “full” WAV file of the same tune. Major difference. The mp3 is in most cases perfectly adequate for headphone or portable use and is an “abbreviated” format designed to conserve disk/memory space. Which it does...at the expected expense of dynamic range and etc etc.


24 posted on 10/04/2007 9:52:35 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This post sold by weight, not volume. Content may have settled during shipment.)
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To: JamesP81
...the speakers in my car don’t have the audio range that my Bose headphone on my computer has (quite possible),,,

Ya think?

25 posted on 10/04/2007 9:52:55 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: JamesP81

The iTunes files are reduced in spectral range so they will sound reasonably clear in earbuds. When played over a bigger stereo system the difference is audible and definitely not HiFi by older standards. It’s like pop tunes intended to be played over AM radio: HiFi they are not, but you can hear the screeching and caterwauling for a block.


26 posted on 10/04/2007 9:56:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: JamesP81
Seems to me that those cans sitting on your ears (or in them, if they're buds) would sound very different than the speakers in your car, and very different than the speakers in your house. That's probably the chief source of the differences you're hearing.
27 posted on 10/04/2007 9:56:56 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: JamesP81

Your first problem is that music offered on itunes is at a significantly lower bitrate (meaning it has less of the original digital data describing the sound) than a purchased CD. Granted, on most crappy equipment including those tiny earbuds sold with iPods it is nearly impossible to hear a difference. But on good equipment with a ear for music you will definately hear a difference.

You can send higher bitrate music to your iPod but you need much more disk storage.

If you are making cd’S from your iTunes downloads they, too will be at the lower bit rate.


28 posted on 10/04/2007 9:57:26 AM PDT by HonorInPa
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To: JamesP81

There is absolutely no difference between an original CD and your burned copy or a iTunes download of the same bitrate 44.1/sec .. the speakers in your car either aren’t up to the job or more likely the road noise is making the sound muddy... digital is digital , a 1 or a 0 , nothing in-between..


81 posted on 10/04/2007 11:24:52 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: JamesP81
Speakers are one component that clearly there is a major difference in performance. As are sources such as the AV receiver, CD players, amp, pre/pro, etc...

But speaker cables? No.

89 posted on 10/04/2007 11:49:30 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: JamesP81

Mr G (the audio engineer) says the following “I tunes, preferences, playback, sound enhancer... uncheck sound enhancer. That will make it play music normally.” He said “sound enhancer” is “on” as the default setting and it is a dimension altering affect that is offensive to him (and most audio people).


132 posted on 10/06/2007 9:33:27 PM PDT by Grammy
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