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Connecticut sips ethanol Kool-Aid
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | October 6, 2007 | Editorial

Posted on 10/07/2007 9:40:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: TWohlford
"My local big dairy farmer tells me that he loves the higher corn prices, but says that the price of dairy feed is now so high that he can’t turn a profit with his cows."

Hog wash. Unless he's a stupid farmer and doesn't grow his own feed. I've never seen a dairy farmer who doesn't however, and I'm surrounded by them.

In fact he's be making even more money if he had a lick of sense, because he'd be selling his excess at better prices, while his input costs remain the same as they were before the demand for corn increased. The only cost associated with his corn feed is the input costs associated with planting and growing it, and when growing feed crops, you aren't too concerned over getting the highest yields, and using a lot of incecticides. He's not buying human consumption grade corn at commodity prices, he's growing feed corn.

Plus corn isn't the only feed source. Many use barley instead, and mix it with chopped alphalfa to make their silage. Or other combinations.

That statement doesn't pass the sniff test for anyone who knows anything about farming.

21 posted on 10/07/2007 11:28:38 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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"If the demand for a grain goes up, it then lowers the supply of other grains in the short term."

Find a better economics teacher.

It only puts demand on that one commodity that's in demand. In the SHORT term, that drives the price up. since in the short term other crops are already seeded, there is no change in supply.

In the LONG term, it reduces the supply of other grains because more field is going into producing the expected money maker. At the same time, with more supply of the money maker, the price usually goes down. (which we can see that happening now)

A shorter supply of other grains is a good thing, because it brings the prices up when there isn't a glut of grain on the market, like there usually is. Farmers can actually make money, instead of living off high government subsidies, often paid NOT to grow anything.(this is idle land, which if put into production, doesn't take away from lands used for other grains)

Then there comes the problem of crop rotation, which HAS to happen. You just can't grow corn year after year because it depletes the soil of certain nutreints, increases infestations of insects, and increase a farmers costs of fertilizers.

At best you would see farmers adding corn INTO a rotation in fields where they never bothered to grow corn because the cost of growing it at low prices wasn't worth it, additional machinery purchases, fertilizer costs etc.

22 posted on 10/07/2007 11:48:07 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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"The problem is that the process of getting corn to fuel takes more energy than it yields."

This keeps getting said, and it simply is NOT true. The ratio is 1.34MM BTU ethanol from corn for 1.0MM BTU of energy input. The ratio will be significantly higher if, as, and when the process to produce ethanol from switchgrass is perfected--on the order of 8MM BTU to 1 MM BTU.

23 posted on 10/07/2007 12:25:54 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Graybeard58

The use of grain for ethanol production only makes sense if you include hops or age it in barrels for at least 12 yeards


24 posted on 10/07/2007 2:43:08 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Graybeard58

>> Connecticut sips ethanol Kool-Aid <<

Spiked punch??? (ethanol = drinking alcohol)


25 posted on 10/07/2007 3:19:42 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Graybeard58

But supporting ethanol makes enviromentalists feel so good about themselves. Hey, what does one want? Self-esteem or better gas mileage? Sounds like self-esteem is winning out.


26 posted on 10/07/2007 9:52:26 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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[so destroying them at the rate of one New Jersey-sized area every year — as Brazil is doing ]

Give me a break. If this is true, then Brazil should be a giant parking lot by 2020.

Well, I'm not sure how much of Brazil is rain forest, but the entire country has an area of 8.5 million km^2, and New Jersey only has 22K km^2, so you could fit over 380 New Jerseys into one Brazil.

27 posted on 10/08/2007 5:19:36 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan)
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