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Self-defense is, inexplicably, no defense
Chicago Tribune ^
| Oct. 28,2007
| John Kass
Posted on 10/29/2007 9:38:52 PM PDT by garyhope
On Sunday, Bob Mette and his son, Mike, 30, will go to the game at Soldier Field to watch the Bears play the Lions. On Monday, Bob will drive Mike to Iowa, to prison. Mike Mette, until recently a Chicago police officer, is scheduled to begin serving a 5-year prison sentence.
His crime? According to the judge's ruling, Mike threw one punch at an angry drunk who chased Mike down the street and attacked him verbally, physically, repeatedly.
The drunk is fine now, golfing, having attended college in Dubuque. The last time I checked he was adding to his resume with a DUI. And Mette?
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posted on
10/29/2007 9:38:53 PM PDT
by
garyhope
To: garyhope
He was a fascist, filthy pig and to the Left, he deserved what what he got. That's why there's no justice for the Mike Mettes of the world.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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posted on
10/29/2007 9:43:12 PM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: goldstategop
Chicago, IL doesn’t recognize the right to self defense either.
Mette is being treated as he demonstrably was willing to treat others.
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posted on
10/29/2007 10:17:51 PM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: garyhope
Before anyone gets excited, a little research please. Gotthard, the official victim had bruises on the side of his neck, his arms, his elbow, his shoulders, and his back. Medical experts testified at the trial that his injuries were consistant with someone who had been stomped and kicked.
The officers at the scene arrested Mette because his one punch story and the evidence being loaded into the ambulance didn’t add up. The testimony of physicians was given and a jury reached a verdict.
None of which this particular columnist felt necessary to mention.
4
posted on
10/29/2007 10:25:26 PM PDT
by
Melas
(Offending stupid people since 1963)
To: Melas
If he was attacked, which seems to be proven and accepted, then what’s the long sentence for?
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posted on
10/29/2007 11:14:48 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: D-fendr
Just because he was attacked, does not justify the use of excessive force. Self-defense is only a defense if the individual defending himself uses “reasonable” force; kicking and stomping on an individual after that individual is already on the ground is not “reasonable” force.
Mette did not lose because he punched the guy once. He lost because the evidence suggested that he did much more than just punch the guy once. Had the judge believed his story (i.e., had the evidence backed him up), he wouldn’t be off to jail.
To: Melas
Gothard suffered a broken cheekbone, multiple fractures to his nose and a broken jaw, according to court records. He had multiple hemorrhages on the brain. He had bruising on both buttocks and the sides of his arms and on his ribs, and he had lacerations to his face and head.
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posted on
10/30/2007 12:58:57 AM PDT
by
iowamark
(FDT: Some think the way to beat the Democrats in November is to be more like them.)
To: Conscience of a Conservative
So when a guy chases you down the street and attacks you, you’re allowed only one punch??
To: garyhope
what’s the rest of the story here? I feel like being led down the garden path. something doesn’t add up here - why would a cop on the scene of a fight go AGAINST another cop? there is a loto off stuff we’re not being told by this crusading journalist...
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posted on
10/30/2007 3:35:53 AM PDT
by
camle
(keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
To: iowamark
"Gothard suffered a broken cheekbone, multiple fractures to his nose and a broken jaw, according to court records. He had multiple hemorrhages on the brain. He had bruising on both buttocks and the sides of his arms and on his ribs, and he had lacerations to his face and head."He was knocked unconscious. He was airlifted to a hospital where he spent four days.
In Iowa, assault causing serious injury carries a mandatory five-year term. Maybe that's harsh, I don't know. But that's what the citizens of Iowa want.
He's a cop. You'd think he would know the law.
To: garyhope
Sickening. The persecutor [sic] and judge in this case should be disbarred, at the very least. At most, they should be tried for clear viloations of Mettes' civil rights and sent to the pokey (where I'm sure they'd be very popular).
11
posted on
10/30/2007 4:53:09 AM PDT
by
LIConFem
(Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
To: Melas
Reporters should report. For the facts of the case, go
here to download the judge's opinion (4 pages, .pdf, 197KB).
To: iowamark
Is this a quote? From where, please?
13
posted on
10/30/2007 5:38:23 AM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: LIConFem
Dig deeper. This was not a one punch incident. Gotthard was severely beaten incurring multiple serious injuries requiring that he be airlifted from one hospital to another. This columnist is lying through his his teeth.
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posted on
10/30/2007 6:27:42 AM PDT
by
Melas
(Offending stupid people since 1963)
To: garyhope
Now where is that picture of the BS Meter pegging out?
To: damondonion
So when a guy chases you down the street and attacks you, youre allowed only one punch?? No, not even that. I believe what we have here is a minority "victim" (the drunk at the party) harrassing, intimidating, and assaulting a white person, and when the white person responds, he is treated as "the oppressor".
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posted on
10/30/2007 6:47:27 AM PDT
by
MrB
(You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
To: Melas
Forget the columnist. I read the judge’s ruling. I don’t recall any mention of a severe beating. Just a single punch, provoked by physical assault on Mette, after which Mette’s assailant hit the ground and hit his head. There was no testimony (according to the ruling) contradicting that (although, having said that, I'll go back to the ruling and check my facts).
I also read in the ruling that:
a) IL law requires that someone in Mette's situation is required by law to either flee or stand there and take a beating, and...
b) He (Mette) decided against a jury trial.
Mette's only mistake was waiving his right to a jury. He might have benefited from the jurors' innate sense of justice (id est jury nullification).
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posted on
10/30/2007 6:50:31 AM PDT
by
LIConFem
(Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
To: LIConFem
Even if you read the judges report, which does not detail the medical evidence, you’ll have to dig deeper for that, you’ll see that Gotthard was airlifted from a level two to a level one trauma center because he had multiple hemorrhages in his brain. If you can’t see the significance there, let me know and I’ll explain it more detail.
18
posted on
10/30/2007 6:55:03 AM PDT
by
Melas
(Offending stupid people since 1963)
To: LIConFem; Melas
Yep, checked my facts. No “severe beating”, just a single punch after being pushed three times (assaulted). Mette’s attacker deserved what he got. The fact that he cracked his melon on the pavement is unfortunate, but no one’s fault but his own.
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posted on
10/30/2007 6:56:35 AM PDT
by
LIConFem
(Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
To: Melas
Mette's attacker his his head on the pavement. Does it surprise you that someone who is intoxicated (BAC .270) would fail to protect his melon in a fall?
And I'm curious as to where you came up with the "severe beating" claim. One would think that the judge would use such a fact (if indeed it was fact) to back his decision.
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posted on
10/30/2007 6:59:33 AM PDT
by
LIConFem
(Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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