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Is It "UnAmerican" To Question Suspicious Airline Passengers? The New Racial Profiling Lawsuits
PajamasMedia ^ | Nov 8, 2007 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 11/09/2007 5:35:56 AM PST by vietvet67

Six Iraqi natives announced in Detroit last week that they are suing American Airlines for “hundreds of thousands of dollars” because they were racially profiled, leaving at least one of the six feeling “violated.” Putting aside the inaccurate charge—racial profiling is defined as the practice of substituting skin color for evidence as grounds for suspicion by law enforcement officials; the men’s skin color was never an issue—the real question to be asked of this scenario is, are groups of Middle Eastern men purposefully behaving suspiciously in airports and on airplanes in an effort to cash in on America’s civil justice system?

The Director of Safety and Security for at least one airline, Sun Country Airlines, believes this may be true.

“There are some groups out there pushing the limits to reap the rewards of what happened on 9/11,” Tony Loeks told PJM in an interview. “They behave in a non-violent but suspicious manner to get themselves pulled off the aircraft with the result being a civil suit against the airline.”

An example of what may have possibly been such an attempt - a separate incident involving a group of 12, suspicious-acting, Arabic-speaking men that took place on Sun Country Airlines Flight 274, traveling from Washington to Minnesota on June 27. Two passengers on that flight had contacted me about the men’s threatening behavior and asked me to investigate. At first, TSA wouldn’t confirm that the incident even happened. Later they acknowledged that it did, but refused to comment.

Loeks, the affable Director of Safety and Security at Sun Country Airlines, by contrast, was willing to talk, explaining how important safety and security is to Sun Country, and “that goes for all the passengers as well.”

(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; dtw; flight590; profiling
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1 posted on 11/09/2007 5:35:57 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67
because they were racially profiled

Tough, get over it. Last time I checked.....it wasn't 19 Swedes that brought down the towers.

2 posted on 11/09/2007 5:43:31 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: vietvet67

Are these the same Iraqis?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/11/ap_detained_071102/

The men, some of whom are U.S. citizens, were returning to the Detroit area after training Marines at Camp Pendleton, Calif., on Iraqi culture when another passenger expressed concerns to guards partly because she heard the men speaking Arabic.


3 posted on 11/09/2007 5:44:19 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic

“after training Marines at Camp Pendleton, Calif., on Iraqi culture”

Does that include having a thin skin and demanding a lawyer when things don’t go your way?


4 posted on 11/09/2007 5:47:56 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown

I don’t know too much about the case, but from that article in the Army Times it says that all they did was speak Arabic.

I don’t mind pulling people aside and questioning them if they are acting suspicious, but speaking a foreign language?


5 posted on 11/09/2007 5:49:59 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic

If a group of 12 scares passengers, what’s a pilot to do? Ignore the situation?


6 posted on 11/09/2007 5:51:54 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: SoldierMedic

Countless Marines and others have died to liberate these bottom feeders and now they want to sue the very people that liberated them,

We wasted lives and fortune in Iraq liberating any that would do this! If you are from Iraq and you are not a Caldean or Assyrian you are on my bad side.


7 posted on 11/09/2007 5:54:06 AM PST by Mojohemi (5)
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To: toddlintown

It depends on if those fears are justified. Drunken college boys that are grabby hands and agressive, that needs to be handled right away.

6 men being shifty eyed, trying to light their shoes on fire needs to be handled right away.

6 men talking, just talking, is pretty minor. If they did something in addition to just talking, like try to open a door, break a window, access somewhere they shouldn’t be, or something done in conjunction with talking should be handled. But just talking?


8 posted on 11/09/2007 5:58:25 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: vietvet67
It's a cinch that if they don't, lots more people are going to die in plane crashes into buildings. Maybe that's just a matter of fact and to be expected and accepted to keep us PC.

When will PC become a thing of the past? Probably when it's too late. PC is waved under our noses every single day and we just allow it.

PEOPLE ARISE AND BE HEARD. AND DON'T STOP UNTIL THINGS CHANGE - FOR THE BETTER. IT'S A REPUBLIC, WE'RE IN CHARGE. NOT THE ACLU AND THE POLITICIANS.

9 posted on 11/09/2007 5:59:41 AM PST by Frwy (Politician is the only four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: vietvet67

I really do not care what anybody, any sex, any race, any creed thinks, says or does...I will report any suspicious behavior to the authorities....asap


10 posted on 11/09/2007 5:59:49 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: Mojohemi
Countless Marines and others have died to liberate these bottom feeders and now they want to sue the very people that liberated them.

Liberate them so they can be free to do what they please, except for speak on a plane?
11 posted on 11/09/2007 6:01:10 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic

“Are these the same Iraqis?”

Believe so..


12 posted on 11/09/2007 6:24:10 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

It may be time for the airline industry to install digital recording equipment on aircraft.


13 posted on 11/09/2007 6:26:25 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: SoldierMedic

Sir, perhaps if you would read the article at the link, you would see that they were doing alot more than “just talking”.


14 posted on 11/09/2007 6:38:48 AM PST by battletank
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To: vietvet67

This kind of crap will get a lot of people killed. And the government will cover up the fact that PC was responsible for the deaths.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 6:40:28 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: battletank

I figured as much.

And if I was on the plane with my family, I would have reported the suspicious behavior, and the airline didn’t at least take them aside for questioning -

I would tell the airline that I’ll just take the next one - it’s not worth it.


16 posted on 11/09/2007 6:42:05 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: battletank
Sir, look at the article again:

An example of what may have possibly been such an attempt - a separate incident involving a group of 12, suspicious-acting, Arabic-speaking men that took place on Sun Country Airlines Flight 274, traveling from Washington to Minnesota on June 27. Two passengers on that flight had contacted me about the men’s threatening behavior and asked me to investigate. At first, TSA wouldn’t confirm that the incident even happened. Later they acknowledged that it did, but refused to comment.

This is not the same group as the 6 I was refering to. Differant flight, differant number of passengers, differant incident.
17 posted on 11/09/2007 6:48:09 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: vietvet67

How about 2 flights to every destination?
Flight 1 - profiled. All individuals born in certain countries, wearing distinctive middle-eastern garb, or with middle-eastern names are taken aside and search thoroughly and questioned. Their baggage is emptied and checked. They are not allowed to sit together or near the front of the plane.
Flight 2 - no profiling. White gray-haired ladies and babies in diapers are given the full search treatment.

Normal people will fly on Flight 1
Jihadis and bleeding-heart liberals will fly on Flight 2.


18 posted on 11/09/2007 6:49:00 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
bleeding-heart liberals will fly on Flight 2

I bet not. They would choose to fly on Flight 1 and not admit it.

19 posted on 11/09/2007 6:50:16 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Puppage
I was flying from Buffalo to Chicago last week. At the gate there was a young, plainly muslim woman sitting in one of the seats. Two TSA guys arrived at the gate to do some checks I guess. The minute the woman saw them, she jumped up and went to a nearby pay phone and made a few calls. She then came back and sat down.

When I boarded the plane, I told one of the attendants what I'd seen and that I regarded it as suspicious. Maybe it was nothing. Maybe not. I'm not gonna have a problem because of political correctness though.

20 posted on 11/09/2007 6:55:45 AM PST by TopDog2 (New tagline pending...)
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